It ought to take him about 2 seconds to find a new job probably as a Bronco or Jet. What was Tampa thinking?
The Broncos have their new head coach already.
Wow. Wow.
Has he done something in Tampa that makes him a keeper??
Yeah, after winning the SB with Dungy’s team, I don’t see what the appeal has been?
He rotates QBs like a carousel (eventually settling on Jeff Garcia), and the team really hasn’t done anything significant. They did catch a bad break when Cadillac got injured during his rookie year.
I’m more surprised with the mangini firing.
He is a POS that pretty much took a great team, won the big game and then dismantled it, because he was to much of an egomaniac and didnt want people thinking he could only win with someone elses team. He always claimed he was an offensive guru, but was always saved by one of the best defenses ever and never groomed a QB(just took established ones and plugged them into the hardest play book ever). How could an offensive guru not figure out how to use Antonio Bryant and Joey Galloway at the same time. He screwed Alstot, chased away Keyshawn and is mostly hated by his players. Besides that he is a great coach and should go into the hall of fame.
I don’t understand why people try to discredit Gruden’s SB win by saying that Dungy built the team.
While it was Dungy’s players, the team they beat in the SB was the team that Gruden had built - the Raiders, which he’d been coach of as recently as Dungy’d been coaching the bucs.
That is true. Also, I believe the Raiders beat the bucs the year before 41-0. BUT if you look at what Gruden did since that first year you can only describe it as wanting to put his own team together no matter how good it was.
"BUT if you look at what Gruden did since that first year you can only describe it as wanting to put his own team together no matter how good it was. "
Probably true, but the Bucs also traded away a couple first and second round picks to get Gruden, making his job that much more difficult. They never had a decent QB for him to work his “genius” on, and as his star defensive players got older and older, they didn’t replace them with comparable talent.
Plus, he’s apparently a dick to his players, which doesn’t probably help.
Been hearing a lot about the firing today and some pundits are saying that this may of been a financial decision by the glaziers. The nut they have to pay on their soccer team is pretty impressive. I guess we will have to see how much under the cap the new regime comes(they were 20-25 million under this year) to really tell how much was the front offices fault. I still am glad the Gruden is gone although I reserve the right to change my mind come two years from now.
They never had a decent QB for him to work his “genius” on
That guy was suppossed to be Chris Sims … got crushed (turns out i the NFL you have to make quick decisions). Garcia actually had a pretty good season (also last year). Offense ranked 19th in scoring and d was 10th in defense (15th going by points allowed). Brad Johnson before that. (Dungy had Trent Dilfer and Sean King for comparison).
Garcia ran the west coast offense pretty well in SF and Philly. With all of Grudenm’s genius, from what I have seen, they had their most success when Garcia was doing what Garcia does best, getting out of the pocket and improvising.
His record in TB is 57-55. His teams have never finished higher than 18th in points scored. Defense has been average outside of the year (06) they were 31st out of 32.
More reputation, chuckie faces, than substance (IMO).
"With all of Grudenm’s genius, from what I have seen, they had their most success when Garcia was doing what Garcia does best, getting out of the pocket and improvising. "
I know garcia has done alright at other teams, but he’s never been a superstar, and there’s something about him that I just don’t like. I can’t put my finger on it.
I’m not defending Gruden really, but he hasn’t had the best players, and he’s managed to take his teams to the playoffs in 5 out of the last 9 years. He won the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, and the team he left (and built) was the other team in that Super Bowl. I agree he’s been overhyped, but he’s a decent head coach, and I think everyone ws pretty surprised he got fired.
I know garcia has done alright at other teams, but he’s never been a superstar,
I think Jeff garcia and Rich Gannon are about on the same guy.
and there’s something about him that I just don’t like. I can’t put my finger on it.
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He certianly doesn’t have the look or persona of an NFL QB (outside of the hot wife), but man, he seems like one of those guys that can “just play”. He’s a 4-time Pro Bowler to boot. He had 3 GREAT years with SF (2K-02) and then was 5-1 w/ PHL in 06 and 8-5 with TB last year. He’s thrown 161 TDs with only half as many INTs. He may not be a superstar, but he’s a star (or was). Gannon is also a 4-time pro bowler. All 4 with OAK and his numbers are similar to Garcia’s during Pro Bowl years.
I wonder if Gruden could co-exist with a superstar QB or if they would butt-heads too often? He certainly sems to collect and rotate QBs in a weird way. Strange that no super talented QB has joined up with him, and he’s left with back-ups (Gannon in MIN and KC) and (Garcia, SF, DET, PHL, CLE) that were cast offs. He also had Sims, Gradkowski, Griese, etc. Again, just makes me wonder if he and another “genuis” or “big ego” could be on the same sideline regarding the offesive plays and execution.
Sometimes I wonder whether guys are really good coaches or just happen to get in the right spot and provide the right spark. I would expect an offensive genuis’s teams to be in, at least the top 10, on a regular basis … not never ranking better than 18th in points scored. I’m not sure the media is a good reference point, b/c once they get on someone’s jock (or ball washing as my biddy puts it), it’s like they become a Greek myth or something.
I don’t doubt that he is a good coach, but I am wondering why he hasn’t had more consistent success (w/ TB). What I am getting at is that he has a really good year (11 or 12 wins), followed by a down year (4, 5, or 7 years), and the strange thing to me is that he was fired after having back-2-back 9-7 seasons. There must be something more to it, that we are not seeing. FWIW, Gruden’s winning PCT is less than Billick, who also let go.
I find it strange that 2 of the highly touted young “genuises”, Mangini and Gruden were both recently fired. There has to be more to it, than what we are seeing.