I bet no one at any level in the org had a clue what the heck the rules said about this.
Well, let’s set aside the fact that ignorance of the rules is not a defense. Do you think it’s not pretty reasonable to suspect, in a children’s sport league, that there might be rules against conduct that might reflect poorly on the league, or rules against blatantly poor sportsmanship, or…in this day and age, pertaining to use of social media when it could reflect on the league? I mean, these all seem like pretty predictable things to be covered by the rule book of a little league organization.
Sure, I would be able to guess that there might be rules re. embarrassing pics in social media. But, I’m pretty sure that I learned that “after” I was 12. When I was their age, according to my father “I couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were under the heel.”
I bet no one at any level in the org had a clue what the heck the rules said about this.
Well, let’s set aside the fact that ignorance of the rules is not a defense. Do you think it’s not pretty reasonable to suspect, in a children’s sport league, that there might be rules against conduct that might reflect poorly on the league, or rules against blatantly poor sportsmanship, or…in this day and age, pertaining to use of social media when it could reflect on the league? I mean, these all seem like pretty predictable things to be covered by the rule book of a little league organization.
Sure, I would be able to guess that there might be rules re. embarrassing pics in social media. But, I’m pretty sure that I learned that “after” I was 12. When I was their age, according to my father “I couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were under the heel.”
Kids are more savvy about social media these days. However, when I was 12, I would have known that I and my teammates might have gotten in trouble if we all huddled together to give another team the finger, even though social media wasn’t even a thing then.
These girls are old enough to give another team the finger, they’re old enough to know they shouldn’t, and to know that posting it on social media might get them in some trouble.
I bet no one at any level in the org had a clue what the heck the rules said about this.
Well, let’s set aside the fact that ignorance of the rules is not a defense. Do you think it’s not pretty reasonable to suspect, in a children’s sport league, that there might be rules against conduct that might reflect poorly on the league, or rules against blatantly poor sportsmanship, or…in this day and age, pertaining to use of social media when it could reflect on the league? I mean, these all seem like pretty predictable things to be covered by the rule book of a little league organization.
I would expect that what people do on their own time is none of anyone else’s business. If a bunch of people who still watch reruns of Leave it to Beaver get triggered then so what; start living in the 21st century instead of the 1950s.
I would also like to know what the other team did that brought about this giant fuck you because it sounds like the officials did not do their jobs on the field.
I bet no one at any level in the org had a clue what the heck the rules said about this.
Well, let’s set aside the fact that ignorance of the rules is not a defense. Do you think it’s not pretty reasonable to suspect, in a children’s sport league, that there might be rules against conduct that might reflect poorly on the league, or rules against blatantly poor sportsmanship, or…in this day and age, pertaining to use of social media when it could reflect on the league? I mean, these all seem like pretty predictable things to be covered by the rule book of a little league organization.
I would expect that what people do on their own time is none of anyone else’s business.
Yeah, that’s great, but that’s not what happened here. These girls were in league uniforms at a league tournament on a league field. What they did is a reflection on the team and the league. Being on the team, in the league, and at the tournament are all privileges, not rights. Those privileges come with responsibilities. The fact that so many adults in the LR cannot see that is disturbing. It also helps explain the pathetic parenting that resulted in these little bundles of joy not understanding any of these simple concepts.
Actions have consequences. Lesson learned. (Hopefully …)
Totally agree w JSA on this. My daughters play volleyball - club and High School. If they did this on either the HS team or Club, they would be kicked off the team. They all sign ‘conduct’ agreements. They are representing their school/community/families/sport, etc. sports are all about sportsmanship and a great opportunity for them to learn many important life lessons.
These girls deserved to be booted from the tourney, at a minimum. Great life lesson, simple as that. They’ll learn. Employers regularly check social media (including my company) and this single action could cost them a job opportunity. It’s not about punishment, it’s about understanding the effects of social media and basic conduct on their future.
If you don’t DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.
When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.
It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.
If you don’t DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.
When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.
It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.
If you don’t DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.
When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.
It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.
And?
Slowxe said that he didn’t know of (paraphrasing) another way to have them learn their lesson other than DQ and I gave a possible example of an alternative.
If you don’t DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.
When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.
It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.
And?
Slowxe said that he didn’t know of (paraphrasing) another way to have them learn their lesson other than DQ and I gave a possible example of an alternative.
Apples and hand grenades.
Playing in little league is a privilege, not a right. I hope these little bundles of joy learned a valuable lesson.
Playing in little league is a privilege, not a right.
I never said or even implied any different.
I hope these little bundles of joy learned a valuable lesson.
When I was that age the lesson I would have learned is “these people running this softball shit are fucking idiots. I quit. I’m just gonna smoke dope. Fuck this.”
Hopefully these girls learn a different lesson than I would have.
If you don’t DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.
When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.
It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.
Yes, they could be told to write an essay, or do community service, or go sit in a corner…
DQ from a tournament for poor sportsmanship directly related to that tournament seems like an appropriate punishment for that tournament’s organizers to hand down on participants of that tournament.
As the coach of a girl’s basketball team (elementary school level) and an assistant coach for the same school’s track team, I have absolutely no issue with the expulsion. Appropriate conduct is specifically mentioned in our rules, both for “sports participation” in general and for within each sport’s specific rule book. I actually make good conduct a regular part of our learning points each practice.
I would also like to know what the other team did that brought about this giant fuck you because it sounds like the officials did not do their jobs on the field.
Are you fucking kidding me, it’s the officials fault. How about it’s the parents fault. I don’t give a shit what happened on the field during the game. If these kids aren’t smart enough to know you don’t put a picture of you and your teammates flipping off the other team on social media, that’s on them, their parents and coaches.
As the coach of a girl’s basketball team (elementary school level) and an assistant coach for the same school’s track team, I have absolutely no issue with the expulsion. Appropriate conduct is specifically mentioned in our rules, both for “sports participation” in general and for within each sport’s specific rule book. I actually make good conduct a regular part of our learning points each practice.
In PA, as a high school basketball referee, we have to read the sportsmanship message before every game. They also say it prior to announcing the line-ups.
“PIAA requires all registered sports’ officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing contestants, teams, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today’s contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the contest official(s) that your contestants are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules and PIAA adoptions. Good luck in today’s contest.”
I ‘m not sure they even know what F U means.
When did everyone here learn the significance of the middle finger?
12 years old (6th graders)? That was a long time ago (1966) so I can’t remember whether or not I would have known. I went to a pretty small rural school that wasn’t exactly very hip. I’m sure that I knew by the time I was 14 years old in junior high, though.
If you don’t DQ them, what lesson is taught? Seems to me that the lesson is that they can get away with whatever they want.
When my sister was a teen she had a verbal altercation with a cop and got arrested. Her punishment was that she had to write a letter of apology to the cop.
It seemed an appropriate punishment and she learned her lesson.
Yes, they could be told to write an essay, or do community service, or go sit in a corner…
DQ from a tournament for poor sportsmanship directly related to that tournament seems like an appropriate punishment for that tournament’s organizers to hand down on participants of that tournament.
Fair enough. I just think the DQ is a bit of an overreaction. You think it’s appropriate.
Thank you sg. I was kinda put off by the girls being disqualified but there was something in my brain telling me I was wrong. You expanded the reason I was wrong so that I can see it now. That was really bad sportsmanship and sportsmanship matters as much of the skill of your play. Thank you again.
