This bike seems to check all the boxes. Fully integrated, ultergra group set, rim brakes, built-in power meter, carbon seat post and handlebars for $3,600. Anyone have any idea how it stacks up in terms of performance, aerodynamics, and weight?
This bike seems to check all the boxes. Fully integrated, rim brakes, built-in power meter, carbon seat post and handlebars for $3,600
Anyone have any idea how it stacks up in terms of performance, aerodynamics, and weight?
I’m not seeing a built in power meter on the specs page?
I’m sure its a great bike for the price but I don’t think its a very good looking bike personally. And I wouldn’t say the value is quite enough to justify it over something like a QR PR-4 or something. Disc and rim options there as well.
This bike seems to check all the boxes. Fully integrated, rim brakes, built-in power meter, carbon seat post and handlebars for $3,600
Anyone have any idea how it stacks up in terms of performance, aerodynamics, and weight?
I’m not seeing a built in power meter on the specs page?
I’m sure its a great bike for the price but I don’t think its a very good looking bike personally. And I wouldn’t say the value is quite enough to justify it over something like a QR PR-4 or something. Disc and rim options there as well.
you’re looking at the 2019 model
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trinity-advanced-pro-2-2020
So I am!
I guess that makes the value solid assuming its a decent power meter!
This bike seems to check all the boxes. Fully integrated, rim brakes, built-in power meter, carbon seat post and handlebars for $3,600
Anyone have any idea how it stacks up in terms of performance, aerodynamics, and weight?
I’m not seeing a built in power meter on the specs page?
I’m sure its a great bike for the price but I don’t think its a very good looking bike personally. And I wouldn’t say the value is quite enough to justify it over something like a QR PR-4 or something. Disc and rim options there as well.
you’re looking at the 2019 model
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/…-advanced-pro-2-2020
Power meter with ultegra! Looks way better than the Cervelo P series for $400 more, no heavy disc brakes and integration (ie. Cabling). The hydration system is ugly, but I’ll just run a PD basic set up front for bottle exchanges in races anyhow. The white and black color is seriously boring AF though.
if it fits.
my only issue (and maybe it’s not a real issue, I dunno) is that it comes with a short / high stem, and the frame looks like it’s on the short / high side already from the geo charts.
for a guy like me, with stumpy legs and a long torso, that’s not a great combo. I’m running a relatively long/low bike now (P2SL) with a 130mm stem I do have 25mm of armrest spacers, but that’s on the old vision bars, which are pretty low stack, and once I get my hands on a -17 stem in 130mm then I’ll be switching to that.
I am seriously considering this bike, a local Giant shop has one in stock which I went to look at a week or so ago. I left the shop disappointed - mostly because the aerobars are so far apart its just made the bike feel weird and the shop told me they are not adjustable. I did some googling and saw a few people had flipped the bar holders, so I have asked the shop to set it up like that for me to have a look at, which they are doing this weekend. If it works in the way I think it will I am likely going to buy.
For what its worth, the UK site has a couple more pictures than the US site… https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/trinity-advanced-pro-2-2020 - the 3rd picture shows how wide the bars are!
The hydration system actually looks fairly good in person IMO. Whoever sets up the bikes for giant before taking the marketing pics is pretty bad at their job. Besides, the bike is probably faster with it on. Biggest issue with the giant, if I remember right, is the fit envelope is terrible
Damn that’s a lot of bike for the money.
I am seriously considering this bike, a local Giant shop has one in stock which I went to look at a week or so ago. I left the shop disappointed - mostly because the aerobars are so far apart its just made the bike feel weird and the shop told me they are not adjustable. I did some googling and saw a few people had flipped the bar holders, so I have asked the shop to set it up like that for me to have a look at, which they are doing this weekend. If it works in the way I think it will I am likely going to buy.
For what its worth, the UK site has a couple more pictures than the US site… https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/trinity-advanced-pro-2-2020 - the 3rd picture shows how wide the bars are!
That’s nice your LBS is doing that. Looks like a simple fix. Let me know how it turns out. Those aerobars do look wide.
I am seriously considering this bike, a local Giant shop has one in stock which I went to look at a week or so ago. I left the shop disappointed - mostly because the aerobars are so far apart its just made the bike feel weird and the shop told me they are not adjustable. I did some googling and saw a few people had flipped the bar holders, so I have asked the shop to set it up like that for me to have a look at, which they are doing this weekend. If it works in the way I think it will I am likely going to buy.
For what its worth, the UK site has a couple more pictures than the US site… https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/trinity-advanced-pro-2-2020 - the 3rd picture shows how wide the bars are!
Btw, how much does it weigh? As well, what is your height and frame size? I’m a small or medium.
This bike seems to check all the boxes. Fully integrated, ultergra group set, rim brakes, built-in power meter, carbon seat post and handlebars for $3,600. Anyone have any idea how it stacks up in terms of performance, aerodynamics, and weight?
I actually just got a very lightly used 2019 Trinity Advanced Pro 1 for about the same price as a new 2020 Advanced Pro 2 that you are looking at. It was a screaming good deal and the bike looks awesome. I absolutely love the way the bike looks. If you ask me the new Cervelo P-series and the Canyon Speedmax frames look very similar to the Trinity, and the Trinity frame has been around close to 5 years!
I changed from a Cervelo P2 to this bike and the change has been good. It’s more comfortable (for me) than the Cervelo and after taking it out on a very windy day it performs much better in the wind (sorry, no wind tunnel data, just N=1). GP Lama and DC Rainmaker poo poo on the accuracy of the the Power Meter but that is usually only in the very high ranges of power. During sprints the 2019 version of the Power Pro has accuracy issues. However, they found that the new 2020 version has corrected those issues. For me the 2019 Power Pro is more than good enough but if you get the 2020 it meets even the most stringent standards (meaning, you are getting a very good power meter). You can see a GP Lama video review to confirm this.
So, unfortunately, you are not getting a screaming good deal like the one I got on my 2019 Pro 1 but the 2020 Pro 2 at $3,600 is a ton of bike for the money and a good triathlon investment. Go get it!
For me the 2019 Power Pro is more than good enough but if you get the 2020 it meets even the most stringent standards (meaning, you are getting a very good power meter). You can see a GP Lama video review to confirm this.
The 2020 PowerPro is good…ish. I wouldn’t say it meets any stringent standards though. It’s still a Shimano crankset afterall. For the price/performance it’s a solid option. I think my Di2 TCR bike with the MY19 PowerPro cost about the same as an SRM. 
For me the 2019 Power Pro is more than good enough but if you get the 2020 it meets even the most stringent standards (meaning, you are getting a very good power meter). You can see a GP Lama video review to confirm this.
The 2020 PowerPro is good…ish. I wouldn’t say it meets any stringent standards though. It’s still a Shimano crankset afterall. For the price/performance it’s a solid option. I think my Di2 TCR bike with the MY19 PowerPro cost about the same as an SRM.
Yes, I should have put the caveat that the Shimano Crankset based PMs are limited based on your analysis. For me though, the bang for the buck is more than good enough. I think the inclusion of this PM in the new bike bike purchase is a great move by Giant and a good choice for those of us looking for a good deal on a nice race-ready tri bike.
The Trinity is critically limited by the bar adjustment range. No matter how much other stuff is packed in it is likely to be one of your slower options just by hampering the chances of getting your best possible position (the thing that makes you fast, or not). Awful to travel with if that is a consideration.
As an owner of a '17, this is 100% true. But assuming you like the bar choice and you can get into a decent enough position, then it’s a screaming good deal.
Conflating “high” specs with being a good deal is a persistent fallacy in anything relating to bikes.
We did a video series about this last year with one of my staff
The point of it was not to pick on the Trinity. It was to show that position trumps anything else. So we spent ~$1100 USD to get George from decent AG result on the Di2 equipped Trinity to 5th in Elite on a 10yr old P3 with a variety of carefully chosen old parts.
If you buy only on the spec list the Trinity looks good.
But if you buy on speed
Ultegra doesn’t make you faster than 105
Unadjustable carbon bars will (for the majority) be slower than adjustable alloy ones
I would go for an Argon18 E-117 with a wheel and 4iiii upgrade over the Trinity every time. That is a setup that allows you to optimise, which in my view - makes it a good deal.
Conflating “high” specs with being a good deal is a persistent fallacy in anything relating to bikes.
We did a video series about this last year with one of my staff
The point of it was not to pick on the Trinity. It was to show that position trumps anything else. So we spent ~$1100 USD to get George from decent AG result on the Di2 equipped Trinity to 5th in Elite on a 10yr old P3 with a variety of carefully chosen old parts.
If you buy only on the spec list the Trinity looks good.
But if you buy on speed
Ultegra doesn’t make you faster than 105
Unadjustable carbon bars will (for the majority) be slower than adjustable alloy ones
I would go for an Argon18 E-117 with a wheel and 4iiii upgrade over the Trinity every time. That is a setup that allows you to optimise, which in my view - makes it a good deal.
I’m also considering the 2020 Trek SC, Cervelo P Series, and QR PR4 Disc. All things considered, do you recommend the Argon 18 e117 over these bikes as well?
I am definitely not Cyclenutz’ spokesperson…
But it looks like he was saying the best “package†deal might not be the fastest…That whatever bike you get, it might be wiser to get one that you can pick and choose your own components…ESPECIALLY the aerobars…
I know the OEM’s make it hard with their pricing…but I do wonder why more people don’t start with a frameset, and build the bike up from there…???
One of the things I like about the Argon is that there isn’t a massive premium for the frameset (at least not in my market). Compare to Cervelo where the P3 frameset cost the same as a P2 bike (which had the same frame). So it’s much more realistic to build a nice bike and not be too far over the price of the OE builds.
The Trek SC is a great second tri bike. I don’t mean that you have multiples - I mean that you’ve already refined your position somewhat on your first bike then you go for the superbike. The SC is highly, but not easily, adjustable. If you are in the exploratory phase of positioning it can make life harder.
PR4 is a great bike, has the same bar spec as the Argon so the adjustability is the same.
P-Series has a lot of good features, but there is a hefty premium for it. The Zipp bars have a big adjustment range but the steps are large, which may not be as useful as the PD ones*
Ultimately, if you want to build the fastest bike for a given price, you’re usually best to buy the lowest priced (that fits, from a reputable brand, has good features and roughly equivalent aero) then spend on customising it. I’ve sold far more P2s than P3s as the premium on the P3 wasn’t justified from a speed/$ perspective. So I upgrade the P2 to the same price as the P3 by including a powermeter, wheel change if needed, bars etc = much better bike for the same money.
Given that I’ve saved and digitised every wind tunnel test graph I’ve ever come across I’m obviously not immune to the obsession with frame performance. But overall it is given undeserved precedence compared to position and aerobars.
*note that I designed the PD ones. They’re built with fine adjustment as that is what I find important in fits. It makes life much easier if a rider comes in with those bars already fitted.