Looks like one to me… Anyone else think so?
They all ride Walser or German FES bikes for TTs.
Cheers,
Herbert
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No, I think it’s a rebadaged FES like mentioned. It’s a public secret that Gerolsteiner riders rebaged TT bikes.
Walser: http://www.walser-cycles.ch
FES: http://www.fes-sport.de/radsport.htm
Jan Ullrich used to ride both FES and Walser I think, but this year Giant has made a new custom TT bike for him. Read about Ullrich’s new cutom made Giant here:
http://radsportnews.net/2005/ullrichrad.shtml
http://www.radsport-aktiv.de/sport/sportnews_34828.htm
Tobias Steinhauser Also got one because he’s the same size as Ullrich.
Anyway, it doesn’t look like P3C at all, so I don’t know how you got that idea.
It doesn’t look like any of the models shown on Walser’s website either: http://www.walser-cycles.ch/indexx.htm
But it does look very similar to a FES: http://www.fes-sport.de/radsport.htm
Walser, nothing like the P3C.
Where is the Jerk? He will tell you all about Walsers. They are probably the most advanced tt bike you can get. I think that Trek bought some and cut them up to figure out how they could improve their tt bike.
Yes, that is what surpised me. It doesn’t look like any Walser. Maybe Andreas Walser borrowed some from the P3C to create a new frame. The curved seattube and area around the seat-stay/seattube junction just looks almost identical to the P3C (at least in that one picture). There is no gap near the top of the wheel as there is on the Walser 5, which I believe is the frame they always used to ride in the TdF (and which LvL rode in Kona).
Here’s a Walser model 5, but the seattube / rear stay doesn’t look like this bike, so maybe it’s a FES from Berlin:
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I would say Walsers were the most advanced. The new Cervelo P3C, Trek TTX, and Time RXR are all brand new for this year. They are the latest technology, and all the results of what these big, rich companies learned from Walser will be in these bikes. The Walser is still fast, but it isn’t the cream of the crop anymore.
Here’s two different kinds of Gerolsteiner TT bikes at the 2004 Toor:
This is a Walser model 5 rebadged as Wilier at the 2004 Tour:
The seat tube at this one looks different than Walser model 5 and looks a bit like the one showed on the first picture in this topic. It’s made by FES and not Walser: http://www.fes-sport.de/radsport.htm
That second bike looks really similar. Clearly not a P3C as evidenced by the seat-tube clamp, which was obscured in the pic I saw. But it does look quite similar in the back end (bb, seattube), at least to me. I’d be inclined to say it is an FES, since why else would it not be on the Walser site? Walsers are sold in such small numbers, that if Andreas didn’t want to sell one, he just wouldn’t, so it’s not like he’d be giving away big secrets by showing some pics… I wasn’t able to locate an FES site in a cursory google search…
You can find pictures of FES bikes here: http://www.fes-sport.de/radsport.htm
Easy to recognise on the special headtube.
Maybe Andreas Walser borrowed some from the P3C to create a new frame.
I think the name of the bike builder is Andy Walser, but there’s also a German rider on his bikes with a very similar name: Andreas Walzer.
From Velonews…
Who is Walser?
Andreas Walser is a one-man operation in Switzerland who also makes racing sleds - skeleton and sled-dog racing pulks, to be exact. Jim Shea slid to the gold medal in the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics in 2002 on one of his skeleton sleds. However, no wheels are on his Web site. Check out www.walser-cycles.ch
“Andy” is just short for Andreas…
Yes maybe, but on the Walser website it says Andy Walser, but there was also a former German TT champion named Andreas Walzer on a bike made by Walser:
http://www.walser-cycles.ch/Ref_E.htm
Cycling References
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Andreas Walzer (GER), Elite
German Champion Time Trial 1997 + 1999, Olympic Gold Medal 1992,
World Champion 1991
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I don’t think it’s the same person as the one making the bikes. Anyway, isn’t Walser Swiss? He is a former architect who got bored designing buildings.
Clearly NOT a P3C (you haven’t been paying attention here on ST have you? 
If anything, it looks like the (never made as far as I know) P2 Carbon, what with the straight front edge to the seat tube, and horizontal top tube.
But, everyone HAS been watching and copying Cervelo’s.
Thankyou Gerard (and Phil) for stirring up the bike world. Great fun to watch.
Looks like one to me… Anyone else think so?
New Walser Model 6.
Thats a new Walser.
New Walser Model 6.Exactly!
He rode it at Dauphine Libere too.
It’s easy to distinguish Walser and FES, because the FES has the front brake behind the fork.
It doesn’t even look similar to a P3C.
And anyone who thinks there is a faster bike is just wrong (even though the differences are small). Just look at the 50mm slim bottom bracket and the extra slim rear. This bike is just cool!
Leipheimer has a version for smaller cyclists with a special stem/ headtube. The stem is mounted in the middle of the headtube, by that the gap between the headset bearings is big enough and the handlebar low enough.
The reference section on the Walser website would be way longer, if he was allowed to put all the victories on their. In 2003 and 2004 Jan Ullrich used the model 5 in TdF (unfortunately he sold his right for free choice to Giant and Shimano and this year he uses a Giant (they really tried to copy a Walser last year) and this crappy Shimano front wheel which costs a second per k - but that’s not important, if one is so stupid to do motorpaced training one day before the Tour, without a helmet). Besides Ullrich guys like Baden Cooke and Bradley McGee use Walser. Look at Gerolsteiner’s handlebar in TTT, might be a nice one
Fennec
PS: Before building bikes and sleds Walser worked for Sauber F1
Eheheheheheh… great troll Rappstar… proud of you man… 