With my selle SMP the more I move it back with it at 5degrees down the better I rotate my pelvis forward, the more I rotate my pelvis forward I still keep the same amount of weight on the bars usually its meant to be less weight on the bars as you move the saddle back but if i’m rotating forward while it goes back nothing really changes on the bars, I get to the point now when the saddle is too far back and I don’t have enough weight over the pedals to pedal at high cadence. Its strange because I experimented with another position before where my saddle was about 2.5cm more forward with the selle smp titled at 2-3degrees down and I got a “unweighting Sensation” the harder I pedaled the more it felt my arms weren’t on the bars with this the saddle felt more uncomfortable and i got small saddle sore and cornering was a little off
You are changing your reach, therefore changing how much you roll. Adjusting saddle fore/aft to affect reach is not really ideal. You should be changing your armpad reach if you want to adjust something.
You are changing your reach, therefore changing how much you roll. Adjusting saddle fore/aft to affect reach is not really ideal. You should be changing your armpad reach if you want to adjust something.
You are changing your reach, therefore changing how much you roll. Adjusting saddle fore/aft to affect reach is not really ideal. You should be changing your armpad reach if you want to adjust something.
I am moving my saddle to see if I can prevent my low back from being overused When saddle is too far forward I usually get crunch up and have a posterior tilt
Sam I went through this for years until someone asked me a question I’d never heard before. ‘Are you bending from the hips or the waist?’. Never occurred to me…but I had been bending from the waist. Once I figured that out and learned how to bend from this hips…then it was a new pressure point that moved me to a new problem…which was resolved in 30 seconds…Adamo. Not suggesting your saddle may not be a winner for you, but all my problems were how I was moving my body around the bb. Honestly I could ride any number of saddles now that I bend from the hips, but for 25 years bending at the waist brought me nothing but back pain and excruciating discomfort on my ‘tackle’. Huge power loss too. At the end of the day all the ‘mysteries’ of road and tt fit melted away and within a few weeks of fiddling both were dialed in perfectly after approaching how I sit morphed from waist to hip bending.
Sam I went through this for years until someone asked me a question I’d never heard before. ‘Are you bending from the hips or the waist?’. Never occurred to me…but I had been bending from the waist. Once I figured that out and learned how to bend from this hips…then it was a new pressure point that moved me to a new problem…which was resolved in 30 seconds…Adamo. Not suggesting your saddle may not be a winner for you, but all my problems were how I was moving my body around the bb. Honestly I could ride any number of saddles now that I bend from the hips, but for 25 years bending at the waist brought me nothing but back pain and excruciating discomfort on my ‘tackle’. Huge power loss too. At the end of the day all the ‘mysteries’ of road and tt fit melted away and within a few weeks of fiddling both were dialed in perfectly after approaching how I sit morphed from waist to hip bending.
Just something to ponder…good luck!
I do hinge at the hips the selle smp allows me to do this. I can literally get neutral from bottom of my glutes to my cervical spine it makes me think if I’m over using my spinae erectors in this position. Do you have a photo of your position? I have the adamo on my TT bike but I cannot get comfortable on it, it just slices me up so I am thinking of putting an SMP on there, for saddle comfort
Sam I went through this for years until someone asked me a question I’d never heard before. ‘Are you bending from the hips or the waist?’. Never occurred to me…but I had been bending from the waist. Once I figured that out and learned how to bend from this hips…then it was a new pressure point that moved me to a new problem…which was resolved in 30 seconds…Adamo. Not suggesting your saddle may not be a winner for you, but all my problems were how I was moving my body around the bb. Honestly I could ride any number of saddles now that I bend from the hips, but for 25 years bending at the waist brought me nothing but back pain and excruciating discomfort on my ‘tackle’. Huge power loss too. At the end of the day all the ‘mysteries’ of road and tt fit melted away and within a few weeks of fiddling both were dialed in perfectly after approaching how I sit morphed from waist to hip bending.
Just something to ponder…good luck!
That was my first thought as well but when I look at his video, it looks as if he’s got a decent anterior pelvic tilt going. Sadly in the video one can’t see the how his undercarriage interacts with the seat. I’d be pretty comfy out on the end of my Adamo with his position as long as I relaxed my lower back muscles.
Sam I went through this for years until someone asked me a question I’d never heard before. ‘Are you bending from the hips or the waist?’. Never occurred to me…but I had been bending from the waist. Once I figured that out and learned how to bend from this hips…then it was a new pressure point that moved me to a new problem…which was resolved in 30 seconds…Adamo. Not suggesting your saddle may not be a winner for you, but all my problems were how I was moving my body around the bb. Honestly I could ride any number of saddles now that I bend from the hips, but for 25 years bending at the waist brought me nothing but back pain and excruciating discomfort on my ‘tackle’. Huge power loss too. At the end of the day all the ‘mysteries’ of road and tt fit melted away and within a few weeks of fiddling both were dialed in perfectly after approaching how I sit morphed from waist to hip bending.
Just something to ponder…good luck!
That was my first thought as well but when I look at his video, it looks as if he’s got a decent anterior pelvic tilt going. Sadly in the video one can’t see the how his undercarriage interacts with the seat. I’d be pretty comfy out on the end of my Adamo with his position as long as I relaxed my lower back muscles.
That was the position I got from a retul fitting. Tbh I only really tried the position on the turbo and not on the road, the reason I changed it was because I have soo much weight on my arms and shoulders, and it did feel like the adamo on pushing into me but perhaps When I go hard I may move more on the nose. but then that may risk putting more weight on shoulders and arms again. I may revert to back to it to actually give it ago on the road. At the mo I have the admao slammed right back with even more anterior rotation and my arms are more stretched out like 120 degrees Hopefully there will be a few pictures of it when they are uploaded from the local 10 I did last night
When I think about hinging from the hips I get obsessed with slamming the saddle back so I space out my whole back but it could be this thats causing an overactive back I guess I just cant get my head around how the saddle more forward allows that full neutral spine as I use ride with the an uncomfortable saddle quite forward and I want to move more forward to to try curl my low back to protect the soft tissue around my bits
I want to move more forward to to try curl my low back to protect the soft tissue around my bits
If you move far enough forward on an Adamo you certainly will protect your soft tissues as they will be hanging off the front of the saddle. In my experience moving the saddle rearward increases tension on the posterior chain, tightens the hamstrings, and greatly decreases my ability to produce an anterior pelvic tilt i.e. it forces my lower back into a more erect position. For what ever it’s worth, I rode a Selle SMP for almost 2 years adjusted to every conceivable tilt and setback but was never ever able to find comfort. The boys need to be hanging free to relieve all that pressure.
Sam sorry no pics I’m not a techie/video dork skill guy:/
That said here is what I will add as something you may want to experiment with in your journey. I saw that vid clip…of course it’s hard to know for sure, but it looks to me you might be sitting too far back. The way I found my sweet spot on the Adamo was to go way off the front, as in obviously too far where you hardly have anything touching…back up until you feel the nose of the saddle come into contact with your beans. Forget about pedaling for a moment and sit up on the base bars when you do this so you can get the orientation of where to sit and THEN bend at the hips and rotate around the bb. That’s where I sat with my boys riding off the front in clean air;) The test I did when I knew I was loading up the saddle and truly comfy was to be able to unclip and raise my feet in the air with zero issues on my bits either on base bar or aero…unweighting as much as I could and putting all I could on my saddle.
My road setback on Adamo Road: 12cm. On tt: 0cm. My problem initially was finding enough drop for tt to take the pressure off my arms/shoulders. It was so hard I just started taking off arm pads, then arm cups and a towel, then I went to a -25* Profile Aris to get too slightly too much and then come back up with a .5cm spacer to get it dialed. Riding super steep took all the pressure off my lumbar spine, erector spinae and hammys they just shut off at that point which was pure delight for a guy who has had 2 discectomies. Honestly I felt like I could finally take a nap in the aero position and just pedal. I started out with the saddle on the middle of the rails and kept bumping it forward until I really felt my posterior chain take over closely mirroring a squat. Was quite the revelation for me. Sorry for the rambles I don’t really have the best descriptive talents hope some of this comes through. Safe riding.
Sam sorry no pics I’m not a techie/video dork skill guy:/
That said here is what I will add as something you may want to experiment with in your journey. I saw that vid clip…of course it’s hard to know for sure, but it looks to me you might be sitting too far back. The way I found my sweet spot on the Adamo was to go way off the front, as in obviously too far where you hardly have anything touching…back up until you feel the nose of the saddle come into contact with your beans. Forget about pedaling for a moment and sit up on the base bars when you do this so you can get the orientation of where to sit and THEN bend at the hips and rotate around the bb. That’s where I sat with my boys riding off the front in clean air;) The test I did when I knew I was loading up the saddle and truly comfy was to be able to unclip and raise my feet in the air with zero issues on my bits either on base bar or aero…unweighting as much as I could and putting all I could on my saddle.
My road setback on Adamo Road: 12cm. On tt: 0cm. My problem initially was finding enough drop for tt to take the pressure off my arms/shoulders. It was so hard I just started taking off arm pads, then arm cups and a towel, then I went to a -25* Profile Aris to get too slightly too much and then come back up with a .5cm spacer to get it dialed. Riding super steep took all the pressure off my lumbar spine, erector spinae and hammys they just shut off at that point which was pure delight for a guy who has had 2 discectomies. Honestly I felt like I could finally take a nap in the aero position and just pedal. I started out with the saddle on the middle of the rails and kept bumping it forward until I really felt my posterior chain take over closely mirroring a squat. Was quite the revelation for me. Sorry for the rambles I don’t really have the best descriptive talents hope some of this comes through. Safe riding.
In the video I think im sitting slightly too far back because i’m not really under any load. with the adamo slammed back last night, When i did move right into the front I just had soo much weight on my elbows/arms. the moving back to make my upperbody more comfortable and sliding foward for power, the sliding caused me some chafing
Just a question about the seatangle my adamo was 5.9cm behind the BB in the video above I think 77 degrees If I put the selle smp at 5cm behind the BB would i be at 78 degrees not sure how it works… My butt position will be right back on the saddle though as it only has 1 position When im on the adamo i’m probably sitting at something like 80 degrees as right on the nose? So the selle smp I will probably be sitting something like 76 degrees on my TT bike
Sam sorry no pics I’m not a techie/video dork skill guy:/
That said here is what I will add as something you may want to experiment with in your journey. I saw that vid clip…of course it’s hard to know for sure, but it looks to me you might be sitting too far back. The way I found my sweet spot on the Adamo was to go way off the front, as in obviously too far where you hardly have anything touching…back up until you feel the nose of the saddle come into contact with your beans. Forget about pedaling for a moment and sit up on the base bars when you do this so you can get the orientation of where to sit and THEN bend at the hips and rotate around the bb. That’s where I sat with my boys riding off the front in clean air;) The test I did when I knew I was loading up the saddle and truly comfy was to be able to unclip and raise my feet in the air with zero issues on my bits either on base bar or aero…unweighting as much as I could and putting all I could on my saddle.
My road setback on Adamo Road: 12cm. On tt: 0cm. My problem initially was finding enough drop for tt to take the pressure off my arms/shoulders. It was so hard I just started taking off arm pads, then arm cups and a towel, then I went to a -25* Profile Aris to get too slightly too much and then come back up with a .5cm spacer to get it dialed. Riding super steep took all the pressure off my lumbar spine, erector spinae and hammys they just shut off at that point which was pure delight for a guy who has had 2 discectomies. Honestly I felt like I could finally take a nap in the aero position and just pedal. I started out with the saddle on the middle of the rails and kept bumping it forward until I really felt my posterior chain take over closely mirroring a squat. Was quite the revelation for me. Sorry for the rambles I don’t really have the best descriptive talents hope some of this comes through. Safe riding.
Tiger, when you mention you can fall asleep on the elbow pads, do you get that unweighting sensation the harder you pedal from alot of hip extension power as you say you are using the glutes. Seems we are experiencing the same thing with back pain… I remember an old road position that my glutes were on fire big time and my upperbody was unweighting and the harder I rode low back completely relaxed… IT was a great feeling made cycling 100x more fun. I don’t remember if I was riding slack or steep but as Big say it doesn’t matter if you ride slack or steep as-long as you have the same position over the BB. Been trying to find that very position for more then a year now. IT was on the selle smp saddle, I also remember that I had a tight hip angle and cadence was quite a bit slower and my hamstrings were overworking aswell, saddle could of been too high or a little too far back. Would be great to apply that in the TT position aswell.
I have a 50mile TT this sunday so would be good to get close to it.
I replaced the adamo saddle with my selle smp slammed it forward and tilt 5 degrees down and at 81.5cm saddle height tonight I felt like i was getting pinched my road bike is pretty much the same, but with 170 cranks and TT is 175, is it likely that the pinching between my ball bag and skin suit is from the saddle being on slightly higher side, as the selle smp only has 1 butt position as you cannot slide forward it kinda felt like I couldn’t spin high cadence fluidly… more to on the side of a closed hip angle at 12oclock would lowering it 5mm, open the hip angle if I don’t change the bar height at all? Just to mention my inseam is 89.5
SMP messed me up even more. I kept moving forward on to try get more power, when i sat it in normally I felt too far back and pulling up and was doing twice as much work going back to the adamo and getting another retul fit
SMP messed me up even more. I kept moving forward on to try get more power, when i sat it in normally I felt too far back and pulling up and was doing twice as much work going back to the adamo and getting another retul fit
How long are you riding in these various positions on the bike? Sounds like you have tried 100 combinations on your bikes. Are you gathering power/hr data on all the different positions? Are your assessments of glute/quad function just from what you feel?
What is your goal here, what problem are you trying to correct?
