I have an extremely flat foot which would lead one to believe I would pronate except I supinate, any others who have this problem? What shoes do you wear?
That is hard to do on a mechanical level. You have no upper motor neuron issue? (i.e. MS, stroke, traumatic brain injury?) Since we all pronate and supinate each step we take, do you mean you remain supinated throughout stance phase and if so, how do you know this?
I agree with Andrew, again. It is almost impossible to be a flat foot supinator.
Why do you think this is the case? What leads you to believe you are a supinator?
I have an extremely flat foot which would lead one to believe I would pronate except I supinate, any others who have this problem? What shoes do you wear?
I’ll spare you the 3rd degree and list some shoes that the various brands who make them say are designed for the type of foot you describe. The Brooks Dyad, the Asics Fortitude and the New Balance 883.
From video and picture analysis my first striking point is the lateral side at my mid to forefoot and remain out there. I destroy the outer/lateral edge of my shoe after only about 100-150 miles. i have ran in the Dyad 4 and Adrenaline GTS8. I am currently trying the Saucony Progrid Ride 4.
My feet are very flat but I am a neutral runner. So flat that when I walk around with wet feet my footprints show absolutly no arch. I had video analysis done at the endurance house in madison WI.
I’be been running in the Mizuno Wave Rider for almost 2 years now.
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OK, so your “foot” deformity is in the sagittal plane only. Are you bow legged as well? As for shoes, are you having problems with them (other than wearing out too fast, if they are). Do you have pain when running? Do you feel “slow” or uncoordinated? Do you feel like your ankle is unstable and/or do you sprain your ankle easily/often?
The Dyad and the Adrenaline GTS are pretty different shoes! Was this from the same shop that did the “video analysis”? The Dyad has that wide, flared heel all the way to the midsole, but no posting. The Adrenaline GTS has a pretty firm rearfoot post (which would likley just keep you supinated) and a normal heel flare. Both have very built up heel stack height though. You have not been in an orthotic with lateral wedge or 1st ray cutout?
I have flat feet and wear the outside of my shoes more than the inside. I’ve been in the Mizuno wave rider and brooks ghost. Both very good shoes for me after being put into motion shoes for a couple of years just because of my flat feet. Finally found a good salesperson that took the time to watch me run.
I also have extremely flat feet and supinate while running. At all the local running stores everybody wanted to fit me in a rigid sneaker to help with support. After thinking about it logically and with my podiatrist we felt going with a more neutral shoe would help to allow me to pronate. I am running with Newtons now and they feel good. They are flexible enough to allow me to pronate. However, I was and am a mid-foot runner. Hope this helps or at least give you some other ideas.
OK, so your “foot” deformity is in the sagittal plane only. Are you bow legged as well? As for shoes, are you having problems with them (other than wearing out too fast, if they are). Do you have pain when running? Do you feel “slow” or uncoordinated? Do you feel like your ankle is unstable and/or do you sprain your ankle easily/often?
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I am not bow legged but experience considerable pain on the medial side of the tibia. I have been running consistently for 3 years with 1 half and 2 full marathons. I do feel slow but am able to run right at 5:30 for one mile. I am 26 and experience a lot of sprained ankles throughout high school and if not really focused can roll an ankle on the run. I was fitted for these other shoes based on walking only, not my run which was the main problem.
I am not bow legged but experience considerable pain on the medial side of the tibia. I have been running consistently for 3 years with 1 half and 2 full marathons. I do feel slow but am able to run right at 5:30 for one mile. I am 26 and experience a lot of sprained ankles throughout high school and if not really focused can roll an ankle on the run. I was fitted for these other shoes based on walking only, not my run which was the main problem.
Considerable pain on the medial side of the tibia? As in posterior tibial tendon issues? If you are still collapsed at the medial ankle (and RUNNING not walking on your lateral foot), you are likely going to need something a bit more custom than a simple shoe.
I appreciate all of your feedback. Are you suggesting orthotics or would it be better if I posted some video of my running form to show you what I mean. With you being a specialist in this area I feel like I am a little out of my league as far as the lingo. Thanks again
No, your best bet would be a hands on exam - preferably with a specialist who understands running AND orthotics AND the pathologies that go along with it. This would kill several birds with one stone and save a lot of hassle. Ask around at your local running club/store - you can also PM me, I may know someone in your area.
Have you tried a barefoot shoe? I switched to Treks Airro barefoot shoes and made a huge difference.