Fast Women

I KNEW it! It just takes the right distance and you boys are toast.

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Fast Women

by Don Mell

Compiled by Don Mell, from readily available information from the University of Witwatersrand Medical School in Johannesburg, South Africa.

Women don’t slow down:

Why is it that women don’t slow down as much as men do when they go for the long one?

If a man and woman cross the finish line of a 10K race at the same time, you can usually be sure of one thing: the woman will beat the man if they run a marathon together, in spite of their similar 10-K times.

Women will beat men:

The simple truth is that women slow down less than men as race distances increase. This trend toward female superiority as races lengthen is especially true when one moves to very long, backbreaking competitions. For example, research has determined that female runners with the same 10-K times as a group of men will beat those men by more than 30 minutes if they are challenged to a 90-K race.

South Africa Studies:

Surprisingly (to those accustomed to thinking about male distance-running superiority), studies carried out in South Africa indicate that women can beat men with similar VO2max and running-economy values - as long as the distance is greater than about 24K. Below that distance, the sexes are evenly matched - or else males tend to win when VO2max and economy are the same. Strangely enough, exercise scientists, who normally can explain even the most unusual aspects of endurance exercise, haven’t been exactly sure why this is so.

Comparing Female and Male Runners:

To learn more about the phenomenon, scientists at the University of Witwatersrand Medical School in Johannesburg, South Africa, recently compared 10 experienced female runners with 10 proficient males, analyzing their times at selected 10-K, half- marathon, marathon, and 90-K races. Each subject was tested for VO2max, running economy, lactate threshold, and percent body fat. Each runner also completed training histories and psychological tests (the Profile of Mood States, or POMS, and Personal Motivation, or PM). The 10-K, half- marathon, and marathon races were all held at an altitude of 5900 feet (males and females competed together in the same races), while the 90-K affair (the Comrades Marathon) was run at sea level.

Marathon Times:

The men and women were alike in many ways. Prior to the study, the females normally ran the marathon in an average time of 3:36, while the males did it in about 3:39 (this difference wasn’t statistically significant). Average age (34 years) and running economy were identical, and both males and females trained about five times a week, had been training for three years, and covered about 12K per workout. Average intensity of training (about five minutes per kilometer) was also equivalent in the two groups.

Males held some advantages:

In spite of that, the males held some advantages. Fat-free mass was 33 per cent greater in the men, percent body fat was 27 per cent lower (16 versus 22 per cent), and VO2max was around 6 per cent higher (54.6 versus 51.5 ml/kg.min). Note that in spite of these edges, the male marathon times were no better than those of the females.

How did they do in races?

Males ran a little faster than females in the 10K, running at an average speed of 233.2 meters per minute; compared with 227.4 for the women (10-K times of 42:53 and 43:59, respectively). And males were still a nip faster in the half-marathon, too, at 213.8 meters per minute against 211.8 (1:38:42 versus 1:39:37).

Females are faster in the full marathon:

In contrast, females tended to be a bit faster in the marathon, coursing along at 194.8 meters per minute, compared with 192.6 for males (that’s 3:36:38 versus 3:39:06). And in the 90K, it wasn’t even close: females sizzled along, relatively speaking, at 171 meters per minute, while males were almost 10-per cent slower at 155.2 meters per minute. The males were almost an hour behind the females in the Comrades race!

Women were burning more calories:

The Witwatersrand researchers found the female runners moved along at an intensity of 84.4% VO2max in the 10K, while males were content to cruise at 79.9%. In the half-marathon, the difference was 78.7 to 73.5%. In the marathon, it was 73.4 to 66.3%. And in the 90K, the gap widened to 59.8 versus 50.2%. In each case, the women were working at higher percentages of their maximum capacities and burning about 3% more calories per minute.

Female sex hormones:

Could the key female sex hormone “estrogen” somehow be responsible for female endurance in long distances? Or are women just the stronger sex?

September/October 2008 Southern Cahfornia Bicyclist


http://witsetd.wits.ac.za:8080/dspace/bitstream/123456789/5426/1/Mpholwane%20ML%20Dissertation%20MSC(MED)%202007.pdf

Sounds interesting, IM is obviously not the right distance. :wink:

Well in my theory women are slower in athletics ue to genetics. However in only swimming women can measure up to mens speed. but again that may contribute to the fact that women has more body fat in general than men. :slight_smile:

Damn…I thought this thread was going to be about something ENTIRELY different :wink:

Haim
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I think women are much better at pacing than men and less likely to race above their capabilities, particularily early in the race. Very unscientific, but I bet there are less women blowing up at the end of a marathon (or ironman) then men.

Given that we are built to survive labor, this does not surprise me. First labors are LONG -

so maybe estrogen and progesterone help mediate that…

I always figured it was because women are smaller. Over time, I think larger athletes pay a larger price for their size.

I’m reasonably large for an athlete and a lot of people I can beat in a 10K destroy me in the marathon. I just think the extra equals more punishment over the long haul.

My guess is that it has to due with the higher percentage of body fat in women and that at ultra endurance distances a much higher % of calories is coming from fat compared to the shorter distances. I’ve also seen studies that women are significantly better at isometric contractions than men (which may explain their love of pilates and yoga and such).

-Brandon

The fact that the men had 33% greater muscle mass (and presummably total body weight) means 2 things:

  1. at the same bodyweight they’d have used more oxygen while running a given pace.
  2. the men probably weighed more which means greater calorie/oxygen requirements.

Rather than saying the men had an advantage, the study abstract should have called this a disadvantage and given this credit as a contributing factor if not THE factor.

Plus, I would have no problem believing that women are mentally tougher than men.

My guess is that it has to due with the higher percentage of body fat in women and that at ultra endurance distances a much higher % of calories is coming from fat compared to the shorter distances. I’ve also seen studies that women are significantly better at isometric contractions than men (which may explain their love of pilates and yoga and such).

-Brandon
yeah gee NO men do yoga or pilates…

seems EVERY guy I meet these days is into yoga. what a turn off.

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There have been women overall winners of the Badwater Ultramarathon. Pam Reed has won 2.

From my anecdotal observations in triathlon, of some of the best women in the sport over the years, having trained with some of these women and raced with them and now being married to a very good Ironman distance woman, I can say with assurance, that women know how to suffer at a much higher level than men ever can.

Seems like Tritoy is going down the right path with the “labour thing”…no shortage of women who have come back for lifetime bests in long endurance sporting events after having children too!

Here’s the problem with trying to draw a conclusion from this study. A 6’5" 250 lb guy could have ran that 43 10k, as well as a 95lb 5’1" woman. Of course the longer the distance, the more the woman will excell, doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that. IF they really wanted to make some type of comparison, they should have used men and women of the same size and weight. You don’t compare how fast a dog runs 30 miles, as compared to a rhino???

I also think the pacing thing comes into play, men are more agressive than women generally, which tends to make them more impatient. The longer you go, the higher the penalty for that trait, so once again, I guess you need to see the pace of all the races measured to see if this was a significant factor.

It is an interesting topic, I wish someone would do a study that really would attempt to measure it accurately, not just a study that we all know how it will turn out, And that is just a study of MOP’ers, the elite study has already been done, every day, in every race…THe reality is that at any given distance, the top men beat the top women, we know that as fact…So I’m very leary of these studies that use some off the wall protocal to even them up somehow… If you get to the pointy end of the big races, and throw in all the best in the world, there is your study that means something…

I don’t think you can generalize by sex in my opinion for the MOP’er. I bet it is waaay more tuned to body mass and size, with a good sprinkle of pacing thrown in there…

Boston Marathon qualifying times should be changing if this is true.

Currently women get an extra 30 minutes. Sounds like that differential should be eliminated.

Or should the qualifying time requirement be lower for women than for men?

Thus the headline, it is called a teaser…

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That was studied as far back as the late 1970s and shown to not be true in multiple studies I believe Costill did the first such study. It is not fat burning that explains it. It is not that women have higher BF that explains it.

“Boston Marathon qualifying times should be changing if this is true”

The way that I understood the study, the only thing that would need to change is those “race predictor” calculators. I don’t think that the study says that men are faster than women, it states that if a man and a woman have the same marathon time, the man could probably run a faster 10K.

BQ times are loosely based on the 90th percentile of marathon finishers in a given age bracket.

"I can say with assurance, that women know how to suffer at a much higher level than men ever can. "

You obviously haven’t been married for very long…

In my household this holds up as true as well. If he stubs his toe I hear about it all day. If I stub mine, he doesn’t even know it happened.

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