There are other vegetarian posts on the forum, but wanted to put one here specifically about this book/approach. I started the program this week and plan on a 6 week test. My reasons are primarily health related but I hope to see improvements in my fitness as well. I will post updates.
Note - I’m currently not doing heavy IM training. I’m running 8-10 miles x 3 times per week, and cycling about 100 miles per week. Also doing strength training twice per week.
I have not read the engine 2 diet but have read Thrive as well as following Rich Roll. I’ve been vegan for 4 months now and am having pretty good results.
How is his diet different than just going vegan?
Great book with lots of good insight. I never followed the diet carefully but adopted a lot of the principles it talks about in my daily diet. I’d love to hear updates on your progress!
It’s the same as Vegan. Plant based, avoid all animal products.
It’s vegan but emphasizing the raw plant aspect and limiting things like soy and wheat I believe.
It’s vegan but emphasizing the raw plant aspect and limiting things like soy and wheat I believe.
Soy and wheat are ok. No animal products or processed foods. Whole grain carbs.
It’s amazing to me how much money this guy is making from information that is easily found for free.
The “Ripper”
It’s amazing to me how much money this guy is making from information that is easily found for free.
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I think Rip’s book/diet is fantastic. Great recipes that can make anyone second guess their eating something that is low fat and has no cholesterol.
The big emphasis on Rip’s E2 book compared to Thrive is that Rip is very much against using any extracted oils of any kind. Brendan Braziers Thrive is more about raw fruits/veggies but oils are ok in moderation. In my view its easier to eat more cooked food without oils than raw foods w/ (sometimes) some oil. They both are mostly gluten free.
Really happy how big Rip’s book has gotten. Met him a few weeks ago and apparently every year since the book has been out it’s sold more than the previous year.
I’d say for a vegan way that Rip’s method is almost sure to work with anyone. Others such as “Thrive” or “80/10/10” work great, but the trick is making sure you eat enough since their emphasis is on raw fruits/veggies and limit the grains which results in lower calories throughout the day.
I’m struggling with the whole vegetarian thing. I know it takes me a lot longer to recover from hard workouts or weightlifting. I have certainly lost considerable weight, but it is frustrating to take 3-4 days to recover from intense workouts (based on DMS). It makes sense to me that the fastest gains would be based on increased capacity for my muscles to recover and rebuild. Anybody have the phone number for Lance’s doc? …but seriously, I think the biggest struggle with vegetarian/vegan is getting enough protein for muscle recovery without getting rediculously sick of beans and quinoa.
I have been vegan for five days (mostly vegetarian for the last year). My dad was running marathons and cycling a lot when he had his heart attack. He was very skinny as well. His father died of a heart attack at 50 and both my aunt and uncle have had a heart attack. I’ve seen how debilitating stents, bypass, statins, etc., are. I don’t want to lose it physically or mentally when I’m older. The statins really screw with your thinking. The white pasta, bread, whey protein, lean meat diet (the one most of you are probably on) is what gave my father a heart attack.
I’m trying to limit oils as Caldwell Esselstyn suggests. I’ve been off of agave, sugar, juice, white bread and pasta for a few months now as well. I take 1000mg B12 and 1000mg D3 before bed. I do break a few rules. I use Roctane powder prior to a run, GU during the run, and Vega protein powder post run.
The white pasta, bread, whey protein, lean meat diet (the one most of you are probably on)
Well, you’re very wrong. I’m on eggs, lots of legumes and brown rice, some oats pre/post workout, lots of veges, a little plain greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Thanks for assuming you know my diet though…based on…nothing! I’m not going to waste anybodies time by listing the supplements I take. Nobody cares about your B12 or D3 either…or the processed cheats you use.
I didn’t refer to you in my post. Just a comment about the diet most endurance athletes are on. Calm down.
The white pasta, bread, whey protein, lean meat diet (the one most of you are probably on)
Well, you’re very wrong. I’m on eggs, lots of legumes and brown rice, some oats pre/post workout, lots of veges, a little plain greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Thanks for assuming you know my diet though…based on…nothing! I’m not going to waste anybodies time by listing the supplements I take. Nobody cares about your B12 or D3 either…or the processed cheats you use.
Dude! Rage much? I don’t think he specifically addressing you. It looks like he just replied to the last thread in the line with regards to the topic… Easy killer…
Not a comment on your diet plan, and certainly good for you for being so proactive about your health, but it seems in this case genetics likely play a large factor in your family’s history of heart disease…not only dietary choices or the diet you point out as common amongst endurance folks. Just sayin.
Fair enough. I just had to throw away my black beans because I left them in the summer heat and I’m hungry and might be raging. Cottage cheese and green beans just doesn’t cut it.
I saw the below and assumed and might have raged unnecessarily so. I apologize.
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That being said, I hope most athletes know better than to eat standard pasta and bread.
Yes, it’s definitely genetics. But Esselstyn has amazing data to show that it is preventable without medication. And not eating meat or dairy lessens your cancer risk. I might die at 40, but statistically a vegan diet that omits refined carbs, oils, sugar, processed fruit, does lower your risk for almost every health ailment.
But it requires a lot of planning, knowledge of cooking, frequent trips to the grocery store, and a nice vegan selection of restaurants. I was a vegetarian when I lived in Texas and it was terrible. In NYC it’s really easy.
And I’m not opposed to eating dairy if I go out to really nice restaurant, which happens rarely with children.
For the doubters Google Tim Bradley, he does all of his training vegan.
It’s amazing to me how much money this guy is making from information that is easily found for free.
I’m not sure how much money he is making, but based on your comment, I hope you never buy a book that summarizes anything for you cause your wasting your money! Don’t buy a magazine! Don’t ever hire a coach!
I’m not sure I understand the logic of being opposed to someone making money off of a book they wrote. In this case the person is promoting a whole food vegan diet. The book is mostly recipes and it is designed to help those that have read his father’s studies and read his book implement them. This isn’t a diet that promises weight loss in a week without any sacrifice. You have to give up almost everything in the American diet forever. I doubt he was trying to get rich off of the book.