Drug Testing - What a process!

Got “randomly” selected for drug testing at age group nationals yesterday right as I came across the line. The USADA guy was actually brave enough to come up to me and grab me as I was puking on my shoes (and his) and escort me about a mile away to the waiting area.

Interestingly, of the ~15 or so athletes, only 2 were over 30, and most everyone had finished relatively high up. The two athletes over 30 had both finished in the top 3 overall in the past few years. The rest were all between 20 and 29 and, perhaps most hilariously - of the 15, I knew 12 of the athletes quite well through all different means, so it was actually nice to have some company while I sat around chugging water and gatorade for 3 hours waiting to pee (It took 17.5 bottles of water and gatorade and 3 hours for the urge to hit). It was about the same, 2-3 hours for most everyone else as well.

Since we left right from the finish, none of my friends or family knew where I was and pretty much assumed I had died on the course. It was pretty stupid they didn’t let us grab our phones at least from the bag area before heading over. That was a bit stressful - particularly for my friends/family who were searching for me for the 4 hours after I finished.

Despite waiting 3 hours for my dehydrated body to finally discard some fluid into my bladder, once the urge finally hit me it was pretty intense. Unfortunately they didn’t have enough processors to take you in once you finally could muster up the goods. So I got to squirm and wriggle around doing the peepee dance for another half hour waiting. Before getting to go in and do your business, you have a bunch of paperwork to fill out, including thinking of anything you might have put in your body for the last three months. I’d had surgery about 6 weeks ago and was in was the hospital for over a week on just about every painkiller and drug you could list, so trying to come up with the names of that stuff was pretty mentally exhausting given how poorly my brain was functioning at that point.

Once in there, you’re completely naked - and this was the biggest surprise - they actually have to watch the stream leave your body. Talk about stage fright!! So that was another 20 minutes mustering the concentration to squeeze it out. Most Awkwardly Painful Experience Ever. Luckily I managed to hit the 90 ml on the dot before freezing up again, and just barely made the specific gravity necessary - or I might have been there forever.

All in all, pretty much my personal purgatory and given that I’d had a pretty poor race - it was simply not how I wanted to spend my afternoon! I wish blood testing was more economically feasible - we could have been out of there in 20 minutes. That said, it’s awesome that they’re out there doing it. Wondering though how random it was, and if limiting the randomness to guys in younger age groups makes sense. Thinking about who might have access to peds, I wonder if it might actually be some of the older age groups with the money and resources to pull that off.

Welcome to our world. Except we get knocks on our door at random times, have 2-3 people come into our house, have blood drawn and pee in a cup.
The biggest problem is that you feel like you have to wait until you really have to pee because you dont want to go less than 90ml.
Drug testing is a good thing, but very intrusive and goes under the guilty until proven innocent system.

and goes under the guilty until proven innocent system.

hmmm

how would you change the system while making it no easier for people to cheat?

First off, lifetime bans for cheaters. Second, I would have athletes have to go monthly somewhere to give urine/blood samples. Then when tested in competition the numbers can be compared to those samples. Anyways, there is no perfect system, would be better if people just had consciouses.
I think all of us want cheaters out of the sport and dont mind the occasional intrusion, just dont think its fair when it affects my workouts via a too early wake up or missed needle in the elbow.

the blood passport idea did seem to have an affect in cycling:

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probably an expensive program though

First off, lifetime bans for cheaters. Second, I would have athletes have to go monthly somewhere to give urine/blood samples. Then when tested in competition the numbers can be compared to those samples. Anyways, there is no perfect system, would be better if people just had consciouses.
I think all of us want cheaters out of the sport and dont mind the occasional intrusion, just dont think its fair when it affects my workouts via a too early wake up or missed needle in the elbow.

we have a blood passport for ITU. Cycling obviously was more dirty than triathlon to start with though.

we have a blood passport for ITU. Cycling obviously was more dirty than triathlon to start with though.

did not know that.

the speed at which ITU guys run off the bike, now even more amazing! haha

I had blood and urine done on Friday directly after a hard run workout, I think that was #3 or 4 for this year. Last year had 4-5 out of comp and 2-3 in comp for blood. Plus 2-3 more urine tests out of comp.
USAT has a blood passport for those on Olympic level in specific sports. GB, France, Germany have crazy drug testing programs. I bet if you asked Alistair how many times he was tested out of comp it would be 7-10 times a year (with his in comp test at every race).

This is the 2nd post I have read recently regarding drug testing procedures that sound way out of line.

I understand that your assigned tester would not want to let you out of sight after the race end and before the sample is collected, but really, do they need to take you away, prevent you from speaking to family, collecting warm clothing and a phone? Why the hell do you need to be naked for a sample to be collected? I can understand needing to see the urine leaving the body, but completely naked, come on?

In what circumstances can they say that you are refusing to take part in the testing process? If you disobey any instruction or request made of you by the tester?

I remember stories of testers having to take part in a warm-down post-race jog with some elites back in the day.

Andy G

I’d tell him to fuck off and wait until I see my family. He can come if he wants! Granted ill never be good enough to get tested and if this is how they get treated, I DONT WANT TO!!

This is the 2nd post I have read recently regarding drug testing procedures that sound way out of line.

I understand that your assigned tester would not want to let you out of sight after the race end and before the sample is collected, but really, do they need to take you away, prevent you from speaking to family, collecting warm clothing and a phone? Why the hell do you need to be naked for a sample to be collected? I can understand needing to see the urine leaving the body, but completely naked, come on?

In what circumstances can they say that you are refusing to take part in the testing process? If you disobey any instruction or request made of you by the tester?

I remember stories of testers having to take part in a warm-down post-race jog with some elites back in the day.

Andy G

 Yeah, I should not have read these most recent threads on the subject.  As it is, I'd probably tell them no thanks, and get banned or whatever.  No big deal, as I do this for the fun and there are other sports that are just as fun where you won't be subjected to the a process that sucks so badly.  Did a number of these tests, conducted in a similar manner, when I was in the military, but now I have the option of saying no.  Still glad they are testing, as I hate the idea of racing with cheaters, but the personal decision would probably be to not participate.  (I think my name just went on a list somewhere. ;)  )

I fully support drug testing, but I’ve known a lot of the ITU folks and even some USAT folks to get on a bit of a power trip and the experience sounds like it has been frustrating for many who were tested at AG Nats. Based on the descriptions I’ve heard on here and a comparison with the WADA Athlete Rights and Responsibilities, several athletes’ rights were violated.

I remember stories of testers having to take part in a warm-down post-race jog with some elites back in the day.

I have not yet been drug tested, but if a WADA official approached me after a race I would definitely drag him along on a cooldown jog, and I would make him/her share my pain. Theoretically they’re not allowed to prevent you from talking to your family if you tell them you have a “sponsor obligation” (my family is my sponsor!). ~1 mi away from the race site sounds a little ridiculous too. There has to be a secure location at the race site where they could test athletes.There needs to be some sort of undue burden clause in the WADA handbook. Sounds a lot like they’re just pissing on the amateur athletes…

Ok, so I’ve looked up the procedures at www.usada.org

So it seems that you are required to go straight to the doping control station. But a delay may be permitted in certain circumstances, so you should request one, in order to 1. Perform a warm down (jog on over to your family and/or vehicle where you can speak to family and retrieve your gear. 2. Request a representative (which would allow you to find a friend/relative. 3. Obtain your ID (so you can get to your kit).

There is a detailed description of how the collector is to view the providing of the sample and it certainly is not with the athlete being butt naked.

I know that we are all somewhat light-headed etc straight after a race but what with the increased AG testing (of which I am all in favour), we all need to know and exercise our rights at the finish line.

Andy G

Doping Control Station

Following notification the athlete will remain under continuous watch of the DCO or chaperone. If the athlete has been notified for in-competition testing, they must immediately report to the doping control station. Under certain circumstances a delay may be permitted by the DCO and only if they can be chaperoned at all times. Such circumstances may include:

Competing in further events;
Participation in a victory ceremony;
Fulfillment of media commitments;
Performing a warm down;
Obtaining necessary medical treatments;
Locating a representative and/or interpreter;
Obtaining photo identification; or
Completing a training session.

For out-of-competition testing, a safe, secure, and private location will be chosen as the doping control station where sample collection will occur. Paperwork may be started in the doping control station and the athlete may choose to eat or drink anything at their own risk while waiting to provide the sample. If the athlete has a representative with them, he or she will be able to accompany the athlete in the waiting and processing areas of the Doping Control Station.

Provision of Sample

When the athlete is ready to provide the sample, they will be asked to select a sealed sample collection vessel from a choice of vessels. They should check and inspect the collection vessel to ensure that it has not been tampered with and will be instructed to rinse their hands with only water before opening the vessel. The athletes representative may also be present while providing the sample with the athletes permission and when agreed upon by the DCO.

The athlete will be asked to provide a urine sample of at least 90ml under direct observation of a DCO or witnessing Chaperone of the same gender. In order for the DCO or chaperon to have a clear view of the sample being provided, the athlete will be asked to pull their shirt up to mid torso and pants down to mid-thigh. As soon as the athlete is finished providing the sample, the DCO or Chaperone will instruct the athlete to immediately secure the vessel with the lid.

I’ve volunteered for doping control at big events and never were the athletes required to report directly to doping or not allowed to do their normal post race routine. My job was to stay with the athlete from the time they finished the event until they reported to doping control. I guess they don’t have enough volunteers for that as AG Nats?

It was pretty simple and not a problem for the athlete (these were UCI level cycling events) I was assigned an athete and given their bib number. As soon as they came off the track I was to approach them as a WADA volunteer, had them sign a form and let them know and I was to remain with them until they chose to go pee in a cup. That way no one missed a podium or interview (I was at UCI Track World Cup and Track Jr Worlds) We were given same sex athletes to make all involved feel comfortable. I just kinda hung around-- u about 10-20 feet away as their coaches, familes and friends would be around too. Then when they were ready I would escort them to doping control, and that was that. They had up to an hour to report.

Sorry to hear the same consideration isn’t there for smaller events. Kinda crappy the atheltes are shoved into the doping booth.

did you guys see the latest entourage episode where vince had to use a fake penis to pass the drug test?

Funny, all I’ve ever heard from ANYONE involved in cycling is how they want cheaters out of the sport. I can’t figure out where all the cheaters come from. :slight_smile:

Good to know for future reference. It would have been nice to have my phone. Everyone I spoke with was told that they had to walk straight over there. I was in my soaking wet suit, and we had to sit an air conditioned room. When everyone’s lips started turning purple, one of the athletes talked them into letting us sit outside in the sun.

The completely naked thing I guess was exaggeration, but I was wearing a tri suit, so you pull that down to your knees and well, you’re pretty much butt naked! The thing that really got me was the whole having to watch the urine leave my body. I would have rather let the person inspect me for whatever kind of elaborate apparatus I might be hiding between my junk and my butt, and then let me stand in a stall with my back to them. The whole staring at your junk thing while you’re trying to go is just too nerve wracking.

Maybe it gets easier with practice though. Perhaps I should just start peeing in urinals next to people even when there’s a whole row free just to get used to that awkwardness.

we have a blood passport for ITU. Cycling obviously was more dirty than triathlon to start with though.

did not know that.

the speed at which ITU guys run off the bike, now even more amazing! haha

Maybe they on the juice

AGolden - the answer too all of your questions is because drug testers have years of experience with people doing amazing shit to cheat the system and this is what has to be done.

you really have to adjust your world view - accept that there are MANY people who do CRAZY stuff like use fake penises to store someone elses urine to cheat, etc (true story)

hence the protocols

either you decide you want to do what it takes to catcher cheaters, or you don’t.

but really, do they need to take you away, prevent you from speaking to family, collecting warm clothing and a phone? Why the hell do you need to be naked for a sample to be collected? I can understand needing to see the urine leaving the body, but completely naked, come on?

In what circumstances can they say that you are refusing to take part in the testing process? If you disobey any instruction or request made of you by the tester?

I remember stories of testers having to take part in a warm-down post-race jog with some elites back in the day.

Andy G

For my test (the other posted on ST recently) I didn’t have to pull the suit down to my knees. I had it rolled down to my waist, then just pulled the front down like you normally would to pee.
But if it makes you feel better, I also froze my ass off!

Everybody here should read the rules the other guy posted - know your rights and be willing to assert them.