Can I ask what Hugo did to warrent such a statement by PR?
Just curious.
~Matt
So we are doing gods work by killing muslims?
Can I ask what Hugo did to warrent such a statement by PR?
Just curious.
~Matt
I think he said something about Pat’s momma.
Thank you for your post. What it seems to say, is that there is a difference between man-to-man violence, and governmental protection via military. Interesting, though I think that concept is definitely subject to abuse (see: Iraq war, 2003- ). I also am not sure how much it actually reflects what Jesus is supposed to have taught, rather than what the writers wanted to impart, but I have that thought on just about every written account.
Can I ask what Hugo did to warrent such a statement by PR?
Just curious.
~Matt
Hugo’s defeated couple of coup attempts, he’s friends with Fidel, he believes that people of the resource rich country should profit from those resources (not “someone” thousands of miles away), he’s improved health care, changed Venezuela’s foreign policy, etc. Most of all, he refuses to be America’s little bitch and Venezuela’s poor love him and keep him in power.
Just the last two, his refusal to be USA’s bitch and that poor love him are probably enough though…
I don’t know if the US would have stepped in alone. I don’t believe we did anything other than cut off funding to Uganda when Idi Amin slaughtered 300K of its people. But that was a different era, so maybe we would have?
You’re right, Saddam was responsible for many, many deaths while he ruled Iraq, and that is horrible. I wonder why Reagan and Bush supported his regime?
And you know (although you will deny) that the reason for going to war was not because Saddam had killed his own people. It was to find the stockpiled WMDs that were claimed to be a threat to us. If we were in the habit of military invasions to stop genocide, wouldn’t we be in the Sudan right now?
It also comes down to intent.
When this whole thing started every chance was given for a peaceful resolution to this conflict. It was made very clear that if arms were laid down no harm would come to Iraqi soldiers or insurgents.
We didn’t just blast into the country and start shooting. Every chance even while major operations were underway for people to give up and surrender peacefully. Unfortunately it doesn’t always turn out that way.
I think the peaceful solution and intent was there…but never reciprocated. That’s where the teachings of Christianity and intent comes to play.
The reason given is water under the bridge. At this point it’s semantics. At the time it appeared to be credible and given the situation the world is in maybe Hussein appeared to be more of a threat than the past. Honestly, I don’t bog myself down in the reasons why and how we got there…The here is now…
I only wonder if the reason given to go in and get his butt out of power under the premise that he killed hundreds of thousands and we think he has the capability of going beyond his own people like he did in the past and kill more…to me that would’ve been reason enough.
The reason given is water under the bridge.
No, not for me and millions more. War started under false pretenses is a serious crime. If Bush wanted Saddam out for other reasons, he should have made his case, rather than cherrypicking intelligence to bamboozle the morons in Congress and the American public into supporting his misadventure.
War started under false pretenses is a serious crime…
But that wasn’t the case at the time, was it?
RE:Didn’t Jesus teach to love thy neighbor, and turn the other cheek when confronted with hatred and violence?
Jesus was a man. He got pissed off from time to time. Remember the scene outside the temple on the Sabbath where he lost his cool?
“Jesus entered the Temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. ‘It is written,’ he said to them, ‘My house will be called a house of prayer but you are making it a den of robbers.’” (Matthew 21:12-13)
Yep turning over a couple of tables is just like killing people.
Not directed to you jkca1 I just can not reconcile the “it’s ok to kill some people” if the circumstances are right. I honestly think that the more christians that I talk to the further I get from the truth.
Again, intent is the key word.
Intent? I don’t believe that we (man) would ever have the clarity to kill for a reason. I understand the animalistic side of protecting our young/family/etc. but the teachings of jesus were what? The meek shall inherit? Turn the other cheek? Kill if it meets your needs? I guess if we take the bible at face value we will need to start sacrificing sheep as described in Leviticus. Shit just doesn’t add up in my mind.
I hope you mean Pat, not Matt…
As you like.
War started under false pretenses is a serious crime…
But that wasn’t the case at the time, was it?
Yes, it was. Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Powell, etc., all made statements that stretched the truth to support an invasion, while ignoring the flimsiness of their “evidence.” Both Rumsfled and Powell claimed that we knew specifically where the WMDs were, but, in fact, we didn’t.
Isn’t it also “un-Christian” to support the War in Iraq?
My own opinion? Yes. It’s an unjust war.
Or any war, for that matter?
No. Some wars are just, and in some cases, refusing to wage war might even be immoral.
Ever notice that Jesus always seemed rather fond of soldiers? I don’t even recall Him ever exhorting one to repent of the vocation.
who determines “just”? Were the crusades “just”.
Kind of like one man terrorist is another mans fredom fighter. Both side believe they are right.
who determines “just”?
“Just War Doctrine.” Google is your friend.
Kind of like one man terrorist is another mans fredom fighter.
Vapid.