Do they make a tri short like this

…one designed to be used on the new Cobb-style saddles like the Adamo or Blackwell? It seems like most existing shorts don’t work in the position one maintains in these saddles–pelvic rotated forward, with the weight on the front of the sit bones, almost up into the crotch area.

There are several issues with tri shorts and these saddles. First, the chamois is too narrow up in the area where one actually puts weight. Second, as a result of the first, often your weight is on the seam (and even flat stitched seams are not friendly). Third, there is often a lateral seam right at the point where your weight is bearing down, so it’s actually a cross seam; double the rub. Fourth, it seems like micro fleece is not a good choice because there is a lot of friction at the point where the weight bears down.

For example, look at this Zoot short which I stretched over my Adamo Road in about the position it would be when I ride.

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Now, on this saddle, one’s weight bears down approximately where that lateral seam (at the edge of the white panel) crosses. Too much seam, chamois barely covers the width of the saddle, rough fleecy surface.

Here’s a Tyr short:

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This is about as bad as it gets. You’re sitting on a flat seam that actually has a lateral seam underneath it.

Here’s the 2XU, which manages to use a nice smooth chamois, much better than fleece:

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However, once again, the chamois is just too narrow. Your weight is off the padding and on the seam.

This short by Desoto is a little wider:

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But, again it’s rough fleece and the lateral seam crosses in exactly the worst spot.

So, I ask of you: is there a good tri short out there for this kind of saddle? It would have to have a smooth chamois that’s wide all the way up and no lateral seam. I’m even willing to have it a little “full” down below in the run in order to make the bike more comfortable.

This also bothers me. My vote is to make a short that skips the seams and the chamois. The chamois just bridges tha gap and presses on the prostate etc. Without it I think I may be better off. Swim jammers have a seam down the middle. No good either.

Methinks this has to do with your particular anatomy. I ride on an ISM with Desoto (and Zoot Ultra) shorts without any issues. If you find these saddles (in particular the ISM) too wide, have you tried the zip tie trick to bring the “prongs” closer together? May result in a more comfortable ride for you with less short/seam interference.

Kiwami has unpadded suits for the iron tainted.

the desoto itu pad is a pretty wide and I’ve had no isues with it between a cobb max saddle and my grundel
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OK, after digging through the bottom of my drawer, I found a short that has a perfect chamois. It’s an older (2003, the tag says) Pearl Izumi bike short–a low-end short from before they started making all the fancy pants chamois. It’s wide, with no lateral seam and it’s a (now) flat pad but is smooth surfaced.

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This would be my dream short for riding on the Adamo, but the seams are starting to pull apart and I’m pretty sure the lycra is getting translucent in the back.

Is there any tri short, or even bike short, that has a chamois like this?

+1 On the need for a short that pairs well with the Adamo.
I have the Desoto Forza (thin fleece pad), Desoto 400 mile short, Oomph Lava and a set of Canari Bibs that I just picked up.
The Forza is good for shorter rides.
The 400 Mile feels great at the beginning. But that pad tends to bunch up on me after a few hours.
The Oomph has a nice pad, but similar to the 400 mile. After a long ride, it tends to gather in the saddle cutout area.
Giving the Canari a 5 hour ride tomorrow.

I actually find that the less the pad, the more comfortable my VFlow. Since the saddle have such an anatomically correct shape w/ the cutout, it helps to eliminate the need for sitting on a diaper.

Out of curiosity, have you tried using something with no pad?

I personally have a Max & love it, and it’s fine for me with all shorts. Just tried out a new pair of Forza Rivieras last night & they were sublime.

I actually find that the less the pad, the more comfortable my VFlow. Since the saddle have such an anatomically correct shape w/ the cutout, it helps to eliminate the need for sitting on a diaper.

Out of curiosity, have you tried using something with no pad?

I personally have a Max & love it, and it’s fine for me with all shorts. Just tried out a new pair of Forza Rivieras last night & they were sublime.

I agree with you completely. A thin pad is fine. What I really want is smoothness. I tried my swim jammers, but the seams are horribly placed. A good short needs a big gusseted piece of fabric or pad that’s seamless around the critical area.

Ohh ok, I see what you are saying. I definitely noticed the seam right on the spot I put my most weight with my other DeSoto shorts w/ the Invisipad.

It was where two seams crossed & formed a cross & bump. In the case of a seam like that, a thicker pad would help like in the Rivieras.

I have a bunch of oldschool chammy shorts laying around, maybe I’ll fire those up & see how they feel.

Did you ever find a good short? I’ve got an Adamo road saddle that fit my sit bones perfectly, and I need to find a tri short that fit the wide front arms. My current ones are 2XU compression shorts, but the padding is way too narrow. The weight is outside the padding, right on the seams. I’m about to pull the trigger on the Desoto 400 mile short.

Check these out: http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/09/gear-tech/fun-finds-from-the-interbike-floor_62401
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I did find a good short. The Zoot Endurance Full Tilt 8" Tri Short. Don’t know what the analog would be in their current lineup.

I called trisports.com and explained what I was looking for, and a super helpful salesperson actually walked out to the warehouse while I was on the phone and browsed through their inventory. She found several that seemed to fit the bill, and I ordered them all. Of the bunch, the Zoot seemed to be the most ideal, so I kept it and sent the others back.

Used it for IM training and racing in the 2011 season and had good success (with the application of some chamois cream).

2xu is going to have a short for 2013 with a pad built for those saddles.

Desoto’s 400 mi shorts have a great pad in them that covers that area well. I was impressed that they worked so well with the Cobb saddle.

Awesome, thanks! I will try to find a pair of those.