Do any of the old Barry P run program links work?

[RizzaNZ]

Any way I can get the old Barry P run program links working? Here are the old broken ones:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=2545826;
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=2548469;
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=2554998;

Apologies in advance if there is some easy way to access the old links

[Tom_hampton]

I fixed them up a few weeks ago.

BarryP Run-training (links to old Threads)

For the sake of posterity, I edited @BarryP original thread from the old forum. Let me know if you find some of the missing threads, or if you find an error. -tch Original thread: RunTraining (the links) Reorganized to bring more appropriate threads to the top: The Program (part 1) Run Training - The Program (part 1) The Program (part 2) Run Training - The Program (part 2) The Program (part 3) Runtraining - The Program (part 3) Swimming: Compilation of some of Doug Stern’s tips: <<<…

[RizzaNZ]

Awesome - thanks for that. Remembered the layout of 321, but missing all of the info of when to add in tempo, etc. FWIW, have had massive running improvements using Barry P a decade ago, so keen to go back to it while building up the mileage. For anyone interested, here is a link to improvements seen by slowtwitchers using the Barry P run plan.

Barry P Running Improvement,,Whats your Best?

Following Barry P from May 2010 to November 2010 I went from an untrained 195 pounds and a 10:56/mile 5k to 178 pounds and a 3:56 at the Philadelphia Marathon. Nov 2010-Nov 2012 was more tri-specific as I worked up to my 1st IM. This year I went back to the Barry P plan from April to October. I went from about a 9:30 pace for >10 mile runs to a 3:26 at the Air Force Marathon. A couple weeks before the AF Marathon I picked up Advanced Marathoning by Pfitzinger. I followed the recovery plan, …

[ironclm]

Any chance to get these two links to work? @rrheisler

Basic Running Recommendations
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=2434248;search_string=barryp%20basic;#2434248

“Advance Beyond Beginner Stage” Running Program
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=1949381;search_string=runtraining20;#1949381

[Tom_hampton]

Heres “Advance Beyond Beginner Stage”

“Advance Beyond Beginner Stage” Running Program

“Advance Beyond Beginner Stage” Running Program I wanted to put together a simple plan that people can reference to try to push their running out of the “struggling why do I suck” stage into the competent arena. As you may have seen me write many times before, I find that most people struggle because they simply push themselves to hard in the few runs that they do and, as a result, end up running a lot less than they should. Keep in mind that your weekly goal is simply to train just hard enough…

[Tom_hampton]

Here’s “Basic Running Recommendations”

Basic Running Recommendations

Hey, I posted this note on another site that I use. Its targeted toward a group of non-endurance athletes, so the tone of the article is a little simplistic and dumbed down a bit compared to something I’d normally write here. Even though the target isn’t fit triathletes, I find that the same priciples generaly apply. To be honest, what mainly insprired me to write it are my own current cicumstances. Everytime I get out of shape I have to remind myself of these basic concepts (okay…I don’t fo…

[ironclm]

Thanks’

[BarryP]

Glad to hear they’re still being used.

[Tom_hampton]

It’s the only way I’ve been conducting my run training for the last 7 years. I’m 56 now. I still manage to make the occasional podium in local races. The only change I’ve made this year is to insert a rest day after 4-5 days instead of after 6.

Just a touch more recovery as I get older.

[cardillojason]

I’ve got a question with regards to Marathon training, if my regular long runs are at 16-18 miles and I am doing the ultra long run method, should I keep the rest of the week easy and just avoid tempo runs and race pace runs for this race? Obviously if I’m needing to use the ultra long runs I won’t have an aerobic base big enough to have 21 mile long runs for the last half of the program. I’ve done multiple half Ironmans and a full Ironman last year but this is my first attempt at a stand alone marathon for context.

[BarryP]

FWIW, it’s been a long time since I’ve been involve din run training:

But according to my plan, which seemed to work for a lot of people, you’d still run the workouts as normal with one caveat: if you feel that you need the rest, take the rest.

So, lets say that your normal long run is 12 miles and you do an ultra long run week with a 16 miler, the idea is that you’ve added 4 miles to the weekly load that your body has been accustomed to. So those miles need to be paid back in the next day or two. But, yes, you can usually do the other workouts as normal.

Additional note to all of this: I read Running with the Buffaloes, and one thing that jumped out at me is that the coach would often pull kids out of the workouts and have them, instead, do light work on a grassy field, or go for a bike ride. So he might say, “Today we are doing mile repeats, except for Fred. Fred, I want you to jog 4 miles easy on the grassy field.”

The idea is, if you need the rest, take the rest. However, if you find you are needing to take days off often, then you need to reassess your weekly plan and back it off.

Hope that helps.

[RandMart]

@BarryP

So, lets say that your normal long run is 12 miles and you do an ultra long run week with a 16 miler, the idea is that you’ve added 4 miles to the weekly load that your body has been accustomed to. So those miles need to be paid back in the next day or two. But, yes, you can usually do the other workouts as normal.

See my thinking is - and it’s probably wrong, I’m sure - if you’re accustomed to doing 12, and one day you decide to do 16 (or, if you’re like me and decide one day ‘let’s see where this street goes? I’m pretty sure I know where it comes out’ whereupon you become lost in a labyrinth of roundabouts & cup-de-sacs in a suburban South Jersey neighborhood, and when you finally DO find your way out & back home, your 12 has become 18, and you’re back in the house nearly an hour later than expected, to be welcomed by “where the fuck have you been?”)

Anyway, if you can handle the bump from 12 to 16, and you’ve been doing 12 for long enough that maybe it’s getting a little stale, perhaps 16 should be your regular for a while?

YMMV, literally

[BarryP]

I remember one time when I ran a 10 mile loop but wanted to do 12, so I headed down a country road that I’d probably run 100 times before. I started to day dream and my body went on autopilot. The next thing I knew, I was 3 miles down the road. So that 12 became 16!

Now, had I done that today, I would have walked back.

[RandMart]

As a posted a couple of years ago, when I first shared this story … Why didn’t I just turn back around when I realized I didn’t know where I was?

1. I was confident I could find my way out if I just kept going forward
2. Even when turned around, the development still looked the same, so I could see myself just running around in circles like an idiot = “There he goes again” which must’ve been hilarious to the “spectators” and I am not above giving complete strangers a story to tell, at my own expense;
   “hey, remember that guy who ran around here for almost an hour?”
   "Yeah, I wonder why he never came back?