Ruined the Ironman WC. He would be one minute up on Blu and Iden (10miles into the run), but a bogus penalty ruined any chance.
Totally sucks but the only interest left is between Blu and Iden. Some volunteer official destroyed the front end of the WC. What a joke.
Pro drafting penalties should be 2min tops. 5 minutes is game over. It’s a real shame to destroy the front end of a WC.
If it was a 2 min penalty it would be a draft fest. People would be getting multiple penalties because it’s worth the risk
If it was a 2 min penalty it would be a draft fest. People would be getting multiple penalties because it’s worth the risk
It already is it’s just being called in a random arbitrary fashion.
There needs to be a minimum of one warning in the Top 5 of the WC.
Wait what? So the top 5 get a warming but others wouldn’t, that makes no sense. If you want a warning, then everyone should get a warning. Cant cherry pick who gets a warning and who doesn’t.
If it was a 2 min penalty it would be a draft fest. People would be getting multiple penalties because it’s worth the risk
It already is it’s just being called in a random arbitrary fashion.
There needs to be a minimum of one warning in the Top 5 of the WC.
They get a warning.
It’s the day before, at the briefing. They’ve got ALL DAY to absorb that before they get the penalty.
It EXACTLY needs to be a PENTALY - ie as the word suggests, to PENALISE.
2mins isn’t sufficiently high to be effective.
It’s like speeding fines in cars. At $50 pretty much every car driver speeds and chances their arm knowing they’ll not grt busted 99.99% of the time. And I’d they do, $50 isn’t the end of the world.
Make it $10k and speeding would soo be a thing of the past if enforced.
Ruined the Ironman WC. He would be one minute up on Blu and Iden (10miles into the run), but a bogus penalty ruined any chance.
Totally sucks but the only interest left is between Blu and Iden. Some volunteer official destroyed the front end of the WC. What a joke.
Pro drafting penalties should be 2min tops. 5 minutes is game over. It’s a real shame to destroy the front end of a WC.
I didn’t see. Was it actually bogus? Or if you are just upset because you disagree with the call and length of the penalty? You statement about 2 v 5 mins may or may not be valid but is irrelevant. He knew the penalty coming in. He presumably took some risk and then got penalized. Happens in sports all the time. Judgment call. It’s a lot easier to not draft then not commit a penalty in hockey or football or foul in basketball. So I don’t have much sympathy for someone who gets penalized in tri especially in a pro field where it is so easily avoided.
Yeah, it looked really fishy. Ditlev was not doing much wrong in comparison to the other three.
How about don’t draft?
I didn’t see the call or infraction so I can’t really say much. All I can say is that I have a hard time objecting to ref’s calls. Like no athlete ever does anything wrong, and of course when it’s your guy, the ref always was in the wrong.
I just think the refs do a pretty damn good job of being fair at this. If it’s picky, I can only say did you toe the line too much in the first place?
So yeah I dont know, if it was picky, fair enough. I just give the refs a chappeau most of the time as I think they do this “fair” as they can.
Ruined the Ironman WC. He would be one minute up on Blu and Iden (10miles into the run), but a bogus penalty ruined any chance.
Totally sucks but the only interest left is between Blu and Iden. Some volunteer official destroyed the front end of the WC. What a joke.
Pro drafting penalties should be 2min tops. 5 minutes is game over. It’s a real shame to destroy the front end of a WC.
I didn’t see. Was it actually bogus? Or if you are just upset because you disagree with the call and length of the penalty? You statement about 2 v 5 mins may or may not be valid but is irrelevant. He knew the penalty coming in. He presumably took some risk and then got penalized. Happens in sports all the time. Judgment call. It’s a lot easier to not draft then not commit a penalty in hockey or football or foul in basketball. So I don’t have much sympathy for someone who gets penalized in tri especially in a pro field where it is so easily avoided.
I was watching the German coverage and they showed some replays. I think what happened was he pulled out to overtake and a motorbike got in his way - it drove in front of him as he pulled out and there was only a small gap between it and the rider he wanted to pass. He backed off to avoid it and they pinged him for not making the pass.
C’mon man. They don’t hand out penalties for no reason.
No shit. They’ve been hilariously bad at calling infractions for years. It takes a lot to run afoul it seems.
To bad for Ditlev, but his future is obviously bright.
No shit. They’ve been hilariously bad at calling infractions for years. It takes a lot to run afoul it seems.
To bad for Ditlev, but his future is obviously bright.
Yeah, my ST sisters and brothers usually whine about too few penalties due to every race being a “draft fest.”
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Yes, have an instant replay showed in slow motion and a judgment made from someone in New York.
Ruined the Ironman WC. He would be one minute up on Blu and Iden (10miles into the run), but a bogus penalty ruined any chance.
Totally sucks but the only interest left is between Blu and Iden. Some volunteer official destroyed the front end of the WC. What a joke.
Pro drafting penalties should be 2min tops. 5 minutes is game over. It’s a real shame to destroy the front end of a WC.
I didn’t see. Was it actually bogus? Or if you are just upset because you disagree with the call and length of the penalty? You statement about 2 v 5 mins may or may not be valid but is irrelevant. He knew the penalty coming in. He presumably took some risk and then got penalized. Happens in sports all the time. Judgment call. It’s a lot easier to not draft then not commit a penalty in hockey or football or foul in basketball. So I don’t have much sympathy for someone who gets penalized in tri especially in a pro field where it is so easily avoided.
I was watching the German coverage and they showed some replays. I think what happened was he pulled out to overtake and a motorbike got in his way - it drove in front of him as he pulled out and there was only a small gap between it and the rider he wanted to pass. He backed off to avoid it and they pinged him for not making the pass.
According to the front page article, Ditlev was given a position penalty, which occurred when Neumann initiated a pass, but was blocked by the motorcycle, so he dropped back. That should not have been a penalty to either rider, as the motorcycle interfered with the race. If a penalty had to be called, it should have gone to Neumann for failure to complete a pass. The announcers even commented on this! The Ditlev penalty was absolutely wrong.
That’s what I saw was a blocking penalty…that was questionable, because of the moto. Unless it was something else.
I still think a huge part of the problem in Kona is the draft zone is way too short, it shoud be 22
instead of 12m. That change alone significantly resuces the massive benefits that big packs provide.
I watched on and off all day. The moto draft effect clearly helped the lead riders. The moto draft effect is huge, this has been proven in tests. The lead bikes need to film from the back or a significantly greater distance in front of the lead riders. I’m not saying that Laidlaw and the others intententially drafted the motos, but there is a significant benefit even with the moto more than 25m in front of riders.
I just want racers like Skipper to have a more fair shot at the podium.
That’s what I saw was a blocking penalty…that was questionable, because of the moto. Unless it was something else.
I still think a huge part of the problem in Kona is the draft zone is way too short, it shoud be 22
instead of 12m. That change alone significantly resuces the massive benefits that big packs provide.
I watched on and off all day. The moto draft effect clearly helped the lead riders. The moto draft effect is huge, this has been proven in tests. The lead bikes need to film from the back or a significantly greater distance in front of the lead riders. I’m not saying that Laidlaw and the others intententially drafted the motos, but there is a significant benefit even with the moto more than 25m in front of riders.
I just want racers like Skipper to have a more fair shot at the podium.
I watched the entire race, and never saw a motorcycle riding close in front of the lead rider. They were typically significantly to the side. The situation with Ditlev and Neumann was the exception, that motorcycle was much to close in, but he was along side Ditlev, not in front.
i think a big part of the problem seems to be the lack of transparency - a lot of pros complaining that they can’t even get an explanation of what they did to earn the penalty. if you’re going to make those big calls, the marshals should be experienced, trained, and required to offer a clear explanation of the infraction.
i also think that this is just what happens when you have big fields of guys with similar swim firepower.
That’s what I saw was a blocking penalty…that was questionable, because of the moto. Unless it was something else.
I still think a huge part of the problem in Kona is the draft zone is way too short, it shoud be 22
instead of 12m. That change alone significantly resuces the massive benefits that big packs provide.
I watched on and off all day. The moto draft effect clearly helped the lead riders. The moto draft effect is huge, this has been proven in tests. The lead bikes need to film from the back or a significantly greater distance in front of the lead riders. I’m not saying that Laidlaw and the others intententially drafted the motos, but there is a significant benefit even with the moto more than 25m in front of riders.
I just want racers like Skipper to have a more fair shot at the podium.
I watched the entire race, and never saw a motorcycle riding close in front of the lead rider. They were typically significantly to the side. The situation with Ditlev and Neumann was the exception, that motorcycle was much to close in, but he was along side Ditlev, not in front.
Did we watch the same broadcast, I’m in the US fwiw? I didn’t watch much (maybe 20 mins of bike) but I saw some egregious moto work. Still hats off to Laidlow, total badass out there but I did post this in main forum and not a single person commented.
