I’m looking to pick up a new wetsuit and was mainly looking at the Nineteen lineup. Other than fit, can someone (Fleck ?) enlighten me what the difference between the rogue, frequency and pipeline is?
This may be wishful thinking, but is there some info such as model x is y mins faster over 1k than model z?
Also, how much would I be losing by using a sleeveless vs a full sleeve? I have a full sleeve now and I find my shoulders get very tired swimming in it. This could be mainly a fit issue though as it does feel a bit small…
I have a Frequency and I think it is great. There is very little material in the shoulders so I have no problems with the full suit. Don’t know about their other models.
My name is Wolfgang Guembel - I have designed the new 2012 Rogue and made the changes to the Frequency.
The 2012 Frequency is very different from the 2011 Frequency and previous models. In 2012 the material used in the chest has a more controlled jersey lining such that the chest is not ‘too’ stretchy. Most importantly the 2012 Frequency has a ‘reverse’ zipper. This, in my personal opinion, is paramount on any wetsuit worth swimming in.
The 2012 Rogue is different from any suit on the market. The jersey lining on the inside of the suit plays a very important role in the characteristics of the suit. The Rogue uses three different types of jersey, three different types of neoprene, and four different thicknesses, all used in various combinations in order to have areas of extreme stretch, control, and core compression.
The 2012 Frequency can rival many other top of the line suits. The Rogue is in a different category all together.
My name is Wolfgang Guembel - I have designed the new 2012 Rogue and made the changes to the Frequency.
The 2012 Frequency is very different from the 2011 Frequency and previous models. In 2012 the material used in the chest has a more controlled jersey lining such that the chest is not ‘too’ stretchy. Most importantly the 2012 Frequency has a ‘reverse’ zipper. This, in my personal opinion, is paramount on any wetsuit worth swimming in.
The 2012 Rogue is different from any suit on the market. The jersey lining on the inside of the suit plays a very important role in the characteristics of the suit. The Rogue uses three different types of jersey, three different types of neoprene, and four different thicknesses, all used in various combinations in order to have areas of extreme stretch, control, and core compression.
The 2012 Frequency can rival many other top of the line suits. The Rogue is in a different category all together.
Hope this helps,
Wolf
Kraftig.ca
but WHAT category is that?
a jersey lining? sounds like something to hold more water?
Welcome to the web. Steve as you know has been one heck of an ambassador for 19 here - and had some serious clout. You will find that anything you say will be responded to with conjecture and arguments.
Be that as it may - great to see you here. Just dont let the fools get you down.
Jersey lining is the stuff on the inside of the suit that keeps your suit in one piece. You could have your suit “without” it, but then you’d try to put it on and put full perforation holes in it—right through to your skin—and your suit would be done. So jersey is something that all suits must have, and it’s pretty much negligible when it comes to water retention. He’s trying to explain that they use a variety of jersey fabrics in strategic locales, so that it’s not too flexible where it doesn’t need it (core) and is super-flexy where it’s needed (underarm gusset, etc.)
BTW, if anyone doubts this dude, I met Wolfgang for the first time at Interbike last year, and he really knows his stuff. As a pro triathlete and a designer, he’s really putting together the suit that HE wants as a swimmer, rather than a designer taking secondary feedback from a swimmer. Sometimes secondary feedback works, sometimes not. But with the 2012 Frequency, he hit a home run. He’s a great resource, as Fleck has long been.
Welcome to the web. Steve as you know has been one heck of an ambassador for 19 here - and had some serious clout. You will find that anything you say will be responded to with conjecture and arguments.
Be that as it may - great to see you here. Just dont let the fools get you down.
well said.
Friends of ST - search Wolf’s IM results and specifically his swim results. To save you time quite often top 5 out of the water at IMC. The boy can fly. AND, for all you aero bike folks read Wolf’s signature. He is an engineer by trade. OK, so engineer + top flight swimmer + Hwy 19 wetsuit designer = major improvements in the Hwy 19 model offers.
So, in my professional ST opinion, welcome Wolf to the fray and recognize he knows his shit in the wetsuit space. Wolf is the designer for 2011 and 2012 suits behind the scenes while Steve Fleck managed the portfolio until recently, as STeve has moved into a new company (he posted such on ST)
Hope that helps.
Welcome to the fray Wolf. SEe you out on the roads.
I’m racing in the Rogue this year - a former B70 user. In my opinion the “jersey” inside is amazing. I can’t think of what to compare it to… maybe suede? Very comfortable and helps to keep the shoulders free from friction. Wolf obviously knows a lot more about the suit than me, but I have noticed a reduction in shoulder fatigue when comparing to my other wetsuit that I now use for training. Sounds like the Frequency has been upgraded nicely as well, so if $ is a consideration that might be the better way to go.
I’ve been in the top-of-the-line B70 and Zoot suits the last several years and have been in the Rogue for the first time this season and can say that it’s one freakin’ awesome suit. Fast, great fit fit (no tired shoulders) and it comes off faster than any suit I’ve ever worn (I always used to get trapped at the ankles). So I can’t really specifically answer your questions, I can say that the Rogue is sweet…and I’m swimming faster than I ever have in races/open water.
I’ve been hoping to get in a Rogue to try it out, but something got stalled. I would love to try it out against the Huub that I’m testing out next week.
I’m a helix user for 3 or 4 years now and really want to try others. I’m enjoying all the different suits I have tested out this year, with some bombs as well as winners, and would love to give nineteens high end suit a run and make some notes. I have yet to find a suit that matches the helix, but I’m hoping I can find one or two out there!
I swam in both a prototype Rogue and a production 2012 Frequency at an NRGPT Tremblant camp a few weeks ago. I loved the fit of both and the frequency was fantastic compared to my current 2011 Frequency. I love the torso stiffness of both as they really seems to improve my core stability so that I swam straighter in the water, rather than curving my hips to shoulders like I do in my old wetsuit and in a pool.
I have had a problem with my old Frequency where water comes into the neck and arms. I didn’t notice this problem with either 2012 models. I don’t think you can go wrong with either suit but I opted for a rogue in order to get the high neck collar and forearm paddle.
After swimming in an external for years I’ve found the 19 to be a bit more buoyant and much warmer! No clue why, but now I’m in the market for a sleeveless, and I usually swim all summer in my wetsuit.