Cycling Etiquette

So, I am getting hosed off with the roadies in my neck of the woods. I do most of my riding alone. No particular reason, it just suits me better. But I always make sure to acknowledge via a wave or a word, any other bikers I encounter on the road. It might be Cameron Brown (happened once - yay!), or it might be Joe public on his 3 speed beater. No matter - they all get a friendly gesture.

What do I get back? SFA. Every now and again I will get a wave or a word in return, but mostly people just ignore me. Does this happen to other tri riders? Because I’m riding a tri bike do they think I am the anti-christ?

Interested in other people’s experience of this. I know it is kind of a small thing, but it happens every weekend and really pisses me off.

Maybe it’s just you?

I never had a problem riding in Wellington or in London - 9/10 people would give me a (polite) gesture or a nod.

My training buddy and I used to talk about this alot. We see the same thing, But, it doesn’t depend on the bike. Tri, road whatever…the majority of people ignore you.

if they don’t wave I’ll sometimes turn around and use them as a rabbit and chase them down and pass them like a bad habit. Doesn’t change the “no wave” attitude but it makes me fell better! : )

Happens to me too, but in the U.S. I have an obvious tri bike (electric blue Guru with carbonX, Zipp 404s, etc. - always ride aero) and a classic road bike (Litespeed Vortex). I don’t venture out on the roads much on my tri bike, but I occasionally do to keep used to the very different handling characteristics.

I always get a friendly wave of acknowledgement from roadies when on my Litespeed; when I’m on the Guru - nothing. I know the cyclists in Europe tend to be elitist, but I guess the U.S. wants to immitate them too.

I once rode up to an obvious roadie on a very nice Orbea and tried to chat and be freindly(on my Guru). It was a dreary and cold fall morning. Nothing - barely answered me. Never instigated anything. Could have been 'cause he was cruising along at about 24mph (very flat bike trail) and I just cruised up from behind :slight_smile: After about 5 minutes of prodding for some “companionship”, I hammered it and left him in the dust (trying not to show how hard I had to work to get away from him - I was hurting).

About 2 weeks later, I saw him again with a few friends (couldn’t miss the nice Orbea - an unusual bike around here). This time on my Litespeed. Whole different story. Invited me along - friendly chit chat and all. I held my breath. So I purposely got myself invited to their next ride. Of course, I showed up on my Guru just to piss them off - and it did.

Any others with this experience? BTW, my “normal” road bike groupies don’t care what bike ANYONE is on. I’ve even showed up on my mountain bike to ride with the slower riders in the back of our groups. They are all great. One guy is 61 with 2 total knee replacements AND both hips replaced (one twice)! He still manages to avg about 17.5 mph on 30 mile plus rides. Another is a 50 something lady on a 3 speed who also does great. The lead group has several cat1 guys averaging over 25mph through the hills. Great cycling groups are out there and we all manage to get along and enjoy our love for the bike.

Maybe it’s just you?

I never had a problem riding in Wellington or in London - 9/10 people would give me a (polite) gesture or a nod.

You’re right - it may be me. But I’m just a guy riding a bike. Not hammering. Not the best bike in the world. Just riding along, enjoying the sport. Pretty unremarkable really.

So I can’t see how it can be me…but hey, just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t trying to kill me.

“But I’m just a guy riding a bike. Not hammering. Not the best bike in the world. Just riding along, enjoying the sport. Pretty unremarkable really.”

I Donno, riding on a Cevelo is pretty rare in NZ :slight_smile:

Maybe they are momentarily frozen at the sight of a bronzed triathlete cruising on such a sexy bike?

aerobars = stealth equipment. Makes you invisible to roadies.

I Donno, riding on a Cevelo is pretty rare in NZ :slight_smile:

Maybe they are momentarily frozen at the sight of a bronzed triathlete cruising on such a sexy bike?

LOL…really, tears in the eyes…omigod.

I think I love you.

People make way too much of this. I wave to some and not to others. The difference is in what I’m doing at the moment. If I’m transiting a multi-use trail that is narrow or has lots of traffic, I’ll move my fingers or smile. Sometimes people wave just as we pass one another, you may be missing the wave because you’ve already passed by?

If I’ve just finished an interval or I’m preoccupied with something, I don’t. It never is about the other rider or their bike. It’s about me. I don’t feel obligated to wave to every car I drive past and I don’t say hello to every person I walk past on the street.

There is no Tri vs. Roadie thing…at least to me and my roadie friends.

Hey Kiwiwpat,

Yeah i’m feelin yah!! - i’ve ben livin and ridin in Auckland for about 4 yrs and get the same deal!! - my approach now is to make full eye contact with the rider goin the other way, big smile on my face and yell out “GIDDAY”

Take into consideration also that they may be “in the hurt box” and not up for even a nod of the head!

Just make the effort and be pleased that you have!!

As for Cervelo being rarely seen on the NZ roads. Are you serious?? I ride with a bunch of Guys & Gals from I-Bike. Duals, Soloist’s, R2.5, Prodigy everywhere!! feel a little left out as i am one of the few who doesn’t ride cervelo -YET!

Noticed similar things: when I rode a mountain bike, no one would lift a finger, when i got on a road bike, all of a sudden got a least a lifted finger, if not a nod or a greeting. Now I’ve decided its the distance from Tamaki Drive that makes the difference: so many guys and gals riding there its difficult to acknowledge everyone. I’m normally in the aero bars pretending I’m on a real time trial there anyway. Once you’re away from there its a friendly place, unless you pass one of the big group rides: I was doing the airport loop on my 1/2 IM simulation, and I passed a big group ride going the other way. I don’t know if it was the aero bars or just the carnage on the ride: they all looked so grim, and after the main bunch there were all these stragglers, plus at the end a boyfriend/girlfriend having a huge argument. Not a lot of cheery waves going on there. But, hey, we can all make our own rules, I’ll keep on waving.

It happens here. It is the aerobars. Roadies will wave or nod and check you out as long as you don’t have aerobars or puffy tires. Triathletes will acknowledge you regardless of your bike.

I don’t know what the heck to do anymore. I’m moving over to the roadie side of life but have a tri schedule in a couple of weeks. I’m having an identity crisis, so I don’t acknowledge anyone.

As I commute to work in my car I wave to all other motorist, whether they are in cars, trucks or what ever, after all, we are all driving cars to work . . . not many wave back though . . . not a good analogy? OK.

Where I live a rarely see other cyclist, but as a practice I usually nod or do the finger thing at least.

Hmm. I do the same thing. Am I a bad person?

Yeah I hear you.

Here in Tokyo we have had our share of typhoons this year (including now) so whether I am on my road or Mtn bike I make it a point to throw out a big shit-eating smile and wave or nod to all other cyclists brave enough to venture out. Jaded Keirin crews notwithstanding, I usually get an equally enthusiastic response.

I’m not sure this has a lot to do with the tri v. rodies/Hattfields v. McCoys battle that has been raging for years.

I think it more the shitty-unfriendly people v. happy-firendly people battle that goes on every place.

For instance - I work on a college campus. Supposed to be one of the friendliest places, collegial atmosphear that anyone can be in. I walk around and say HI to everyone, make eye contact when ever possible. Well way more than 1/2 the people on campus never even acknowledge my presence.

I usually don’t stink, am not totally repulsive looking, and have a beef with very few folks. In fact, due to my position - I’m a person people should be nice to and want to know. But still - I get the cold shoulder.

Just the way life is - triathletes = good happy people: most everyone esle = miserable uncooth goons.

I always try to wave …even if I am going hard uphill. Yes, roadies do have a problem raising there hand to say “hi”. Once I came up behind a pack of roadies and said “hi” to each one as I passed them, they all just looked at me and said nothing. I guess it’s kinda like motorcyclist …if your on a harley you don’t get waves from a sport bike guy and vice versa.

It’s too bad because we are all out there doing the same thing …it does seem like triathletes are having more fun doing it though .and without the attitude.

I get the same, but no pattern, I get no response from both triathletes and cyclists.

kiwipat,

I have often wondered the same.

I ride both, a road bike and a time trial/tri type bike on the road but not at the same time.

When I ride the road bike, I notice I receive more “waves” than when I’m on the time trial bike. But, my waves/greetings are sometimes not acknowledged. For as often as it happens, i.t seems to be more than just the person was not paying any attention. More like I’m looking at you, I make eye contact with you, but I don’t recognize you so I am not waving back. Maybe its some gay thing? Are they afraid that if they wave they will be perceived as inviting a personal relationship?

When on the time trial bike, I receive much less acknowledgement. I think there is some small measure of snobbery. But the larger issue, in my opinion, is that people who don’t ride this geometry, expect that when waving, a rider lifts his hand off the bar and gives a hand/arm motion that in some way demonstrates a wave. On a tri geometry bike, a wave most often is simply lifting the fingers off the aerobar extensions. I don’t think most roadies recognize this or even notice this most times. They don’t even see/recognize the gesture.

This being said, I can’t tell you how many times people will ride past me and don’t say on your left to let me know I am being overtaken by them. I am an above average cyclist in ability, 20-22 mph ave on moderate pace solo rides. If you are passing me, you are either having your one moment of glory and then you fall back or you are a very capable and experienced cyclist. You should know better, besides the simple issue of common courtesy. In these instances, I think it is more an issue of snobbery than courtesy or safety. It appears, from my experience, that when you get that good, you don’t want to acknowledge any relationship to a recreational cyclist regardless of how experienced that recreational cyclist is.

I think its a blast to be out on the time trial bike riding at an easy pace and have two or three fast “elite”/snob cyclists who try and pass so fast that they are confident that one, they will not be latched onto as in grabbing their wheel to draft and two, they are basking in their glory that they are so much better than the cyclist they just blew by even though they are riding road bikes, and lastly, they were so good they don’t have to bother themselves with road courtesy/etiquette, a simple “on your left”. I’ll pick up my pace and ride behind them for a couple miles. Not drafting, but letting them know they have not dropped me either. They will usually try and ride faster, I’m thinking to put the “hurt” to me if not to drop me. I’ll let them continue for another mile or two and then I will put on the afterburner and “on your left them” as I come around them at 2-3 miles an hour faster than they are riding. This isn’t my one moment of glory. I’ll keep that pace for the next 5 miles or so and whenever I look in my mirror, they are gone. I like to think they were humiliated and went home, but it was probably just a good time for a “nature break” as Phil Liggett calls it.

Please don’t flame me for this, I already know how disfunctional this behavior and mind set demonstrates I am. Its just a personal form of amusement.

I always let the person ahead of me know I’m coming with an “on your left” call. I also try to go wide around them as well. I’m surprised by the number of cyclist who say thanks or that I’m one of only a few who ever do this and they really appreciated the call.

For the “snobs”, I usually say, “on your right”, as they pass to let them know I’m on their right so they do not wander into my path and endanger me as they carry on their idle conversation as they pass me. They often turn their heads and glower at me. They are so annoyed. Who do I think I am? I wonder if they ever figure it out.

I guess there is one possibility I have have not contemplated up to now. That is that this behavior by the most most capable cyclists could be a side effect of PED use. You know, the personality changes that occur as a result of an imbalance of certain hormones and steroids, etc.

Perhaps I should be a little more generous and a little less critical of other cyclists?

Safety is the issue and courtesy and human decency comes a close second. As cyclists, we try to convince others that we are a better class of human beings. We are more in touch with life because we are non motorized. But we really aren’t. We are just fooling ourselves and not convincing the others. Our true nature comes through for others to see. We demonstrate it daily as we ride through the red lights and stop signs as motorists who are stopped look at us and ask themselves what makes us so special.

And we have our bumper stickers about same roads, same rules, same rights, but we demonstrate that that isn’t applicable to us. We’re cyclists, we don’t have to observe those same rules. Only cars and trucks do.

As a class, we are the same jerks who drive in the cars. We have simply given away the gasoline engine. It shows.

I think we still have a very long way to go.

Why is it so important that people wave to you? I see this same complaint over and over on these boards and I guess I dont get it. BFD people. Get over it.