So i’m torn between a pair of Neuvation 50 Tubulars and another wheelset that is clinchers.
Do Tubulars make THAT much of a difference that I should get them? or should I stick to what I’ve been using, clinchers?
the best clinchers and the best tubulars are the same fast as far as rolling resistance
tubular wheel/tire combos tend to be a bit lighter
unless you carry a spare
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The most expensive tubulars and most expensive tubular wheels will be seconds faster over a long distance.
This advantage is instantly lost if you aren’t tucked 100% of the time, reach for a water bottle, or GET A FLAT. Sorry, but have you ever seen the video of Norman trying to peel off the tire on his Boras? Not something I want to do in the middle of an effort like that.
Stick to clinchers; if you go crazy and run latex inner tubes, you can even best the crr numbers of the tubulars!
I say stick with clinchers throw on a disc cover and find the highest mountain you have and bomb down it. You will go fast!!! And let out a little WEE!!!HOO!!! for me.
The most expensive tubulars and most expensive tubular wheels will be seconds faster over a long distance.
This advantage is instantly lost if you aren’t tucked 100% of the time, reach for a water bottle, or GET A FLAT. Sorry, but have you ever seen the video of Norman trying to peel off the tire on his Boras? Not something I want to do in the middle of an effort like that.
Stick to clinchers; if you go crazy and run latex inner tubes, you can even best the crr numbers of the tubulars!
Logic isn’t your strong suit, huh? How would a tire construction cause you to stay tucked more or not have to reach for a water bottle?
I’m saying that the small advantage you have with, say, a Zipp 404 tubular over a Zipp 404 clincher (because they do test differently) is null and void if you don’t ride like a perfect wind-tunnel specimen. If you use the clincher version of a wheel, just tuck your chin down another inch for about 30 seconds and you’ll probably best the (tiny) aero advantage the tubular wheelset would give you.
In reference to tire construction, clinchers have put up the best numbers for Crr, particularly in Open Tubular clinchers used in tandem with a latex innertube, which is pretty much what an expensive tubular is. The quality of the glue-job on a tubular can change a tire’s rolling resistance…a clincher will always end up perfectly round and perfectly straight.
-hope this clarifies what I was trying to convey
It clarifies it but still doesn’t matter. Your position doesn’t effect your wheels. The same rider will get an advantage with faster wheels. Maybe more because he will finish faster so wont raise his chin thagt one last time 
Styrrell
ahhh, but tubulars are more comfortable and over a long distance tri, that means less fatigue and better ability to run fast.
and as those in the know like to say, ride for show-run for dough.
What’s the other wheelset? Is it another set of Neuvation 50’s or something else? I mean if we are talking Zipp or hed clichers this could really tip the scale one way or another fast.
I notice a comfort difference between the two.
Carbon Tubulars with 320TPI corsa tires on my Kalibur is like riding on a cloud. More comfortable than my zedtech 606/pro race 3 clincher combo.
I know it’s probably different for someone who has done it multiple times, but I gotta tell you, the guy I saw out on Lakeshore Drive trying to take off the flatted tubie was not having too good a time. I’ve never struggled with a clincher the way he was fighting that tubie. I’ll stick with what I know.
I’m saying that the small advantage you have with, say, a Zipp 404 tubular over a Zipp 404 clincher (because they do test differently) is null and void if you don’t ride like a perfect wind-tunnel specimen. If you use the clincher version of a wheel, just tuck your chin down another inch for about 30 seconds and you’ll probably best the (tiny) aero advantage the tubular wheelset would give you.
It’s the bolded part above where you’re having problems. It’s just not a logically sound statement. How you hold your chin, for example, won’t change the fact that under a given condition, one wheel is faster than the other. They are independent of each other.
In reference to tire construction, clinchers have put up the best numbers for Crr, particularly in Open Tubular clinchers used in tandem with a latex innertube, which is pretty much what an expensive tubular is. The quality of the glue-job on a tubular can change a tire’s rolling resistance…a clincher will always end up perfectly round and perfectly straight.
I obviously know all of that…but you missed the point. If the only difference between them is basically how they are attached to the rim, how does that affect whether or not you hold your position “perfectly” or reach for a water bottle or not? Get it? Again…independent factors. Whether or not you reach for your water bottle, you’re going to be faster than you would have been otherwise on the faster equipment. I’m also just not getting why that’s such a hard concept to grasp…
-hope this clarifies what I was trying to convey
It does…but probably not in the way you hoped
ahhh, but tubulars are more comfortable and over a long distance tri, that means less fatigue and better ability to run fast.
and as those in the know like to say, ride for show-run for dough.
Ummm…no. Not if you’re comparing “apples to apples” (i.e. tires/tubes of similar materials and constructions).
ahhh, but tubulars are more comfortable and over a long distance tri,
always? why? I woudl say that tires with similar CRR probably offer similar comfort.
that means less fatigue
maybe
and better ability to run fast.
maybe
and as those in the know like to say, ride for show-run for dough.
those guys in the know sure to ride a fuckload of a lot though
and are in pretty low positions
and sometimes on clinchers even!!
I notice a comfort difference between the two.
Carbon Tubulars with 320TPI corsa tires on my Kalibur is like riding on a cloud. More comfortable than my zedtech 606/pro race 3 clincher combo.
Ummm…gee…what’s the big difference between those 2 setups? Let me give you a hint…it’s not about how the tires are attached to the rims.
Think more about the particular tires you listed, and also what might be inside them…I’ll bet you run butyl tubes in the clincher setup too, right?
Okay then, Tom. Tubulars are faster, but by a very slim margin, but are much less convenient to maintain.
I prefer clinchers.
Okay then, Tom. Tubulars are faster, but by a very slim margin, but are much less convenient to maintain.
I prefer clinchers.
tom wasn’t saying that tubies are faster
its basically a tie
a clincher will always end up perfectly round and perfectly straight.
That (plus cost) was what stimulated my move to clinchers back around 1980. The ability to readily swap tires around depending on your needs is also a benefit. For example, last night I took the race tire off my disk so I could use the wheel on my trainer this morning, to break in some new bearings, check out the shifting, etc. Tonight I’ll yank that junk tire off and put the race tire back on…try doing that with a tubular.
Okay then, Tom. Tubulars are faster, but by a very slim margin, but are much less convenient to maintain.
I prefer clinchers.
Me too…in fact, for the average triathlete, using clinchers is a “no-brainer” IMHO. I think you may have been thinking for some reason I thought otherwise…
I don’t think I’d generalize that “tubulars are faster” either…from all the info I’ve seen, there’s only 1 tubular setup (a flimsy Vittoria Chrono glued STRONGLY) that just barely bested the fastest clincher that AFM has tested (Specialized S-Works Mondo Open Tubular). In general, I’d say that it’s far easier and convenient to get “world class” Crr with the “right” clinchers, and you don’t have to run fragile tires to do it.
The other wheelset is the neuvation 50C.
They are like 150 more each than the tubulars