Chloe Dygert Social Media Reprimand from Canyon-SRAM-Rapha

According to this article they don’t like what Chloe’s repeated “bad conduct” on social media was:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/...ocial-media-conduct/

But they (Rapha) are also somewhat letting her off the hook.

Since we became aware of this incident, we have taken time to fully investigate what happened, consulting with the rider, Canyon//SRAM Racing and other partners in order to take informed action in response. Having undergone that process, we believe that Chloé has made very serious errors of judgment, which were compounded by an apology she issued that was not sufficient. However, we also believe that trusting the ability of people to change is key to reaching any form of meaningful reconciliation. Having spoken to her at length, we believe that Chloé has the capacity and the will to listen, learn and to change.

Based on the article she supported a variety of divisive posts on social media by hitting “like”.

Looking at this from the angle of a minority athlete, I don’t need everyone to love minorities in sport, but it would be really nice if pro athletes minimally don’t support the angles of hate and division by supporting this type of stuff on social media. We may all have a streak of not loving everyone who is different from us, but that is best kept private, certainly as a pro athlete I would expect different. No need to add barriers towards inclusion of others in sport. Sport should bring us together.

The problem I have is I read it like this

“We know Canyon/Sram already gave her a stern talking to and she apologized, but we here at Rapha gave her a REALLY stern talking to, and she apologized. We here at Rapha REALLY care more than everyone else. Is that clear?”
“Ok good, we’re moving on business as usual. Go win us some races!”

The problem I have is I read it like this

“We know Canyon/Sram already gave her a stern talking to and she apologized, but we here at Rapha gave her a REALLY stern talking to, and she apologized. We here at Rapha REALLY care more than everyone else. Is that clear?”
“Ok good, we’re moving on business as usual. Go win us some races!”

Haha, and that’s fine. If the statement read, “Chloe is so fast and wins us so many races, we actually don’t care what she does in public, because she is fast…but someone on the tail end of their career, we’d cut from the squad instantly” then I’d say, “Yup, nothing to see here, the corporate world doing what it does tolerating bad behaviour from money making stars”

The problem I have is I read it like this

“We know Canyon/Sram already gave her a stern talking to and she apologized, but we here at Rapha gave her a REALLY stern talking to, and she apologized. We here at Rapha REALLY care more than everyone else. Is that clear?”
“Ok good, we’re moving on business as usual. Go win us some races!”

That’s fair. It’s mealy-mouthed corporate “green-washing.”

But also, in my opinion, about the right general response. What’s the next step? “Cancelling” Chloe?

I don’t think Chloe needs to be “cancelled” over this. Or have her contract terminated. While I detest the “I apologize if I offended you” part of the apology that Chloe released, the rest of it was fine.

I don’t know if she and Quinn Simmons are going to change as people over this, but neither are stupid, their social media behavior is probably fixed at this point, and they’ll both try to continue to win races.

I just feel like if this far removed from the original “incident” and apology/etc Rapha had something to say or a stand to make…fine. But coming out on a slow day for Cycling / Velonews and thumping their chest saying “We wholeheartedly condemn it” (as opposed to normal condemning) but not actually doing anything about it is the weakest form of fabricating valor.

I agree that Chloe does not need to be cancelled over this. She should keep riding her bike. I am not a fan of the angle of “athletes should just shut up and dribble the basketball” either. I think there is a role of athletes who can use their platform to roughly support things that are socially just to advance societies. If athletes want to be vocal about things that make all humans more equal then great, please use your platform (and many of us will be your first supporters). If you want to use your platform to put other groups down (or support others who put them down), I ideally would like the athlete to change (unlikely), but minimally I would like their sponsors and employers to have a stronger hand in reprimanding (be it verbally, opportunities they provide to athletes, or impacts on contracts).

I just feel like if this far removed from the original “incident” and apology/etc Rapha had something to say or a stand to make…fine. But coming out on a slow day for Cycling / Velonews and thumping their chest saying “We wholeheartedly condemn it” (as opposed to normal condemning) but not actually doing anything about it is the weakest form of fabricating valor.

I’m always a big fan when a company whose business model involves using cheap labor in China to make luxury niche cycling products with a 1000% markup tries to make themselves look virtuous.

I’m always a big fan when a company whose business model involves using cheap labor in China to make luxury niche cycling products with a 1000% markup tries to make themselves look virtuous.
If the company was much more ethical, can we assume you’d be more in favor of their denouncing Dygert?

I second a lot of the comments on here too.

I’m genuinely really sorry if you feel like this takes cycling a step back or you feel any less welcome as a minority. I have nothing but love for you and I’m sure 99% (I hope 100) on this forum would feel the same.

But what you’ve got here is a young 21 year old, living in the south, influenced by others around here, who liked a few tweets and I’m sure didn’t mean anyone any harm by them. Then you’ve got a multi-million dollar company, who don’t actually give a shit, making this a big deal, drudging this up and upsetting people like you in the process to get themselves out of the firing line.

Really sorry this affected you, if the tables were reversed I’m sure I would feel the same.

I’m always a big fan when a company whose business model involves using cheap labor in China to make luxury niche cycling products with a 1000% markup tries to make themselves look virtuous.
If the company was much more ethical, can we assume you’d be more in favor of their denouncing Dygert?

To clarify, I’m fine with them denouncing Dygert; I’m simply saying if Rapha ACTUALLY cared about being decent human beings, they’d denounce Dygert AND improve the ethics of their business.

In a shocking twist, people can choose who to support and follow on social media and in sport! People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. The 1A clearly protects this. Even the ACLU, who in the past a team of mostly Jewish lawyers represented a nazi hate groups’ right to (peacefully) march and protest.

In a shocking twist, people can choose who to support and follow on social media and in sport! People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. The 1A clearly protects this. Even the ACLU, who in the past a team of mostly Jewish lawyers represented a nazi hate groups’ right to (peacefully) march and protest.

You may want to get with the program. This extraordinary ACLU guy does not look very jewish:

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/b7d1101/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3840x2160+0+0/resize/840x473!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fcc%2Ff1%2Fa95da92a445aa065b4d7e953b197%2Fdalehothefight.jpg

This is what the ACLU does (and it shows a sampling of their legal expertise). Again, not super jewish.
“The Fight” trailer (which, by the way, is a beyond OUTSTANDING flick, and it’s on hulu for free):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkhJ7ukCCXY

Looking at this from the angle of a minority athlete, I don’t need everyone to love minorities in sport, but it would be really nice if pro athletes minimally don’t support the angles of hate and division by supporting this type of stuff on social media. We may all have a streak of not loving everyone who is different from us, but that is best kept private, certainly as a pro athlete I would expect different. No need to add barriers towards inclusion of others in sport. Sport should bring us together.

x1000

I’m always a big fan when a company whose business model involves using cheap labor in China to make luxury niche cycling products with a 1000% markup tries to make themselves look virtuous.
If the company was much more ethical, can we assume you’d be more in favor of their denouncing Dygert?

To clarify, I’m fine with them denouncing Dygert; I’m simply saying if Rapha ACTUALLY cared about being decent human beings, they’d denounce Dygert AND improve the ethics of their business.

What exactly do you find problematic about the “ethics of their business?”

To be clear, I’m no fan of Rapha simply because I’m a cheap bastard. I own exactly one Rapha product, a cycling wallet/pouch that I found on a discount rack at an expo last year.

However, I do recognize that they make quality product using quality materials. It’s just not for me, again, because I’m a cheap bastard. But, I’m unaware of any supplier/worker exploitation issues involving them.

In a shocking twist, people can choose who to support and follow on social media and in sport! **People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. ** The 1A clearly protects this. Even the ACLU, who in the past a team of mostly Jewish lawyers represented a nazi hate groups’ right to (peacefully) march and protest.

The First Amendment protects one from being prosecuted by the government (of any level) for his/her opinion. At time of this post, I am not aware of any prosecutor/ attorney general planning on filing charges against Ms. Dygert for her exercise of expression. That’s really all the First Amendment provides.

The First Amendment provides Neo-Nazis the right to demonstrate without interference from any level of government, as long as the demonstration is peaceful. The First Amendment even allows Neo-Nazis to parade down streets inhabited by populace who may feel frightened by their presence. However, the First Amendment is most certainly **not applicable **to conflicts re: free speech/expression arising between private parties (viz. any time a government entity is not involved). That you fail to grasp this means that your entire post should be dismissed outright, as it is based upon a false premise.

That said, I’ll entertain your nonsensical post. At least in the context of employment, for the overwhelming majority of U.S. workers (who are employed in an at-will basis), there are consequences for voicing opinions that one’s employers may not like.
Recall the lady in Northern VA who gave the incumbent POTUS the middle finger salute while the latter’s motorcade was driving him back to the White House. Akamai, the lady’s employer, holds a lot of federal contracts and promptly terminated her employment, upon learning that she was the person exercising her freedom of expression. The lady sued, arguing unequal treatment; her job at Akamai, by coincidence, entailed handling social media posting of Akamai employees, and there were instances where people who posted worse were allowed to keep their jobs as long as they deleted the posts in question. The judge disagreed, because she was an at-will employee** and because the VA statute does not list free speech/expression as an activity for which one cannot be fired**; thus, the judge ruled that her employer may terminate her position, because it was not for one of the legally-forbidden reasons (e.g. reason related protected categories or for whistle-blowing), even if her employer was not consistent in determining what rises to an offense worthy of termination.

This aforementioned scenario is completely legal, and in view of that, unless the basis of Ms. Dygert’s contract is not at-will, she actually got off light, b/c there is little employment protection for the vast majority of workers in the U.S (the cynical side of me thinks that the sponsors would still prefer someone who wins races).

In a shocking twist, people can choose who to support and follow on social media and in sport! People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. The 1A clearly protects this. Even the ACLU, who in the past a team of mostly Jewish lawyers represented a nazi hate groups’ right to (peacefully) march and protest.
You may want to get with the program. This extraordinary ACLU guy does not look very jewish:

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/b7d1101/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3840x2160+0+0/resize/840x473!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fcc%2Ff1%2Fa95da92a445aa065b4d7e953b197%2Fdalehothefight.jpg

This is what the ACLU does (and it shows a sampling of their legal expertise). Again, not super jewish.
“The Fight” trailer (which, by the way, is a beyond OUTSTANDING flick, and it’s on hulu for free):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkhJ7ukCCXY

This was not recently, it was in 1978. I should have been more clear. I will check out the film, thanks!

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

https://kansaspress.ku.edu/978-0-7006-0941-3.html

“Skokie mayor Albert Smith, who wanted only to protect his townspeople; and ACLU attorney David Goldberger, caught in the ironic position of being a Jew defending the rights of Nazis against fellow Jews.”

Edit: The town (skokie) had a high number of actual holocaust survivors.

In a shocking twist, people can choose who to support and follow on social media and in sport! People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. The 1A clearly protects this. Even the ACLU, who in the past a team of mostly Jewish lawyers represented a nazi hate groups’ right to (peacefully) march and protest.

You may want to get with the program. This extraordinary ACLU guy does not look very jewish:

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/b7d1101/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3840x2160+0+0/resize/840x473!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fcc%2Ff1%2Fa95da92a445aa065b4d7e953b197%2Fdalehothefight.jpg

This is what the ACLU does (and it shows a sampling of their legal expertise). Again, not super jewish.
“The Fight” trailer (which, by the way, is a beyond OUTSTANDING flick, and it’s on hulu for free):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkhJ7ukCCXY

What does a Jewish person look like?

People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. The 1A clearly protects this.

This has nothing to do with what the 1A is about…

Oh yeah, for sure, I don’t live in disneyland, and realize that all of us have biases against those different from us. I don’t expect the fundamental underlying values of any of us to be saintly. I believe as both a sports fan and participant, I can EXPECT public comportment of professional athletes to minimally keep divisive views private vs, support in public divisive public views and I would like to see companies like Canyon, SRAM and Rapha come down a bit harder on their athletes. I for sure would come down on any of my employees for the exact same reason. They probably would not survive Monday at work because that’s not the type of culture we try to build. Even if it is our top superstar, his tenure is done.

To the other poster, who apologized if I personally felt unwelcome in sport because the liking of a tweet by a pro athlete, the answer to this is “absolutely no, I am fine and feel welcome as I always have in sport”.

This is more about companies sponsoring athletes, needing to come down with a harder hand both privately and publicly. h

The athlete herself may be “reform-able” or not. If she’s not, that’s fine, just shut up in public and keep riding. If you want to ride AND talk publicly, make sure the talk or the support of those talking at least does not put others down. Its not that high a bar to achieve.

In a shocking twist, people can choose who to support and follow on social media and in sport! People are entitled to their opinions, even if offensive. The 1A clearly protects this. Even the ACLU, who in the past a team of mostly Jewish lawyers represented a nazi hate groups’ right to (peacefully) march and protest.I always have to laugh when someone has to bring up the constitution and does not realize they’re actually talking about a European sponsor of a European team and the constitution of the USA does not apply one bit.