So if this thing falls on my house will it be covered under my insurance?
Can I find an ambulance chasing lawyer to sue China and get me some cash after I go to a chiro with some soft tissue injuries?
When skylab “hit” Australia, a town fined NASA for littering… It was finally paid out decades later. So there’s that.
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
When skylab “hit” Australia, a town fined NASA for littering… It was finally paid out decades later. So there’s that.
Wonder if my case against China for space junk injury would be filed in the World Court in the Hague or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). Or maybe WADA.
It’s possible I am confusing who has jurisdiction here.
Totally unacceptable, but what effective recourse or leverage is there that one is willing to implement?
Eye roll emoji indeed.
Aegis
Could be an immanent danger solution. Unlikely to deter future launches, but there is probably not a deterrent with the proper risk/benefit.
No I meant shoot it down on its way to orbit. If they can’t responsibly launch F’em no orbit for you.
You post a ton of stupid shit BUT this takes the cake. The risks of falling debris from missiles could be catostrophic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19tBHrZwOM
As opposed to falling debris from space?
You don’t think blowing a rocket up full of propellant over the ocean would be safer than rolling the dice like these clowns are?
So if this thing falls on my house will it be covered under my insurance?
Can I find an ambulance chasing lawyer to sue China and get me some cash after I go to a chiro with some soft tissue injuries?
You can’t sue China but you can sue US for failing to protect you. Money, money, money…
China css their moon landing?. did russia try to land people on the moon after we got there? No… maybe their css a mid voyage port to Mars? Seems useless otherwise
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
The Chinese space program is very sophisticated and much better thought out than the Soviet program. They have a very long term view, are very methodical and have been very successful. Given the uncertainty and stops and starts of the US human spaceflight program, the Chinese have a very good chance of exceeding our capability in about 10 years and getting to Mars well ahead. They have also stated that they view Moon, Mars and asteroids like they view the Senkaku islands in the South China Sea. They see it as first one to get there keeps it.
China css their moon landing?. did russia try to land people on the moon after we got there? No… maybe their css a mid voyage port to Mars? Seems useless otherwise
I’m not saying it makes a ton of sense. I am just saying it’s likely their shot at us in a cold war, much like we had the moon landing. You are probably right in that it is their stepping stone to sending people to the moon or mars.
When skylab “hit” Australia, a town fined NASA for littering… It was finally paid out decades later. So there’s that.
Wonder if my case against China for space junk injury would be filed in the World Court in the Hague or the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). Or maybe WADA.
It’s possible I am confusing who has jurisdiction here.
Huh. Good question. I’d assume you could sue in U.S. Federal court, but FISA may get in the way unless you could successfully frame your claim(s) as exceptions to immunity under 28 USC 1605(a)(2) (commercial activity that has a direct effect here) and/or (a)(5) (a tort committed here, but then you’d go down the rabbit hole of discretionary decisions and where the tort was committed. Was the decision to build a cheaper booster without a feature to control where it lands a discretionary decision that maintains immunity from suit? Was the tort committed in China by way of defective design (immunity maintained), or was it committed on your property where the damage occurred (exception from immunity)?)
Rabbit holes abound.
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
The Chinese space program is very sophisticated and much better thought out than the Soviet program. They have a very long term view, are very methodical and have been very successful. Given the uncertainty and stops and starts of the US human spaceflight program, the Chinese have a very good chance of exceeding our capability in about 10 years and getting to Mars well ahead. They have also stated that they view Moon, Mars and asteroids like they view the Senkaku islands in the South China Sea. They see it as first one to get there keeps it.
Without transparency, they could be hiding a lot of failure just like the Soviets. Not that failure is bad, but hiding it is bad. And I just don’t think they are capable of innovation like SpaceX. That requires criticism, sometimes of the government, sometimes of top officials, to make rapid progress. That is the opposite of what their system allows.
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
The Chinese space program is very sophisticated and much better thought out than the Soviet program. They have a very long term view, are very methodical and have been very successful. Given the uncertainty and stops and starts of the US human spaceflight program, the Chinese have a very good chance of exceeding our capability in about 10 years and getting to Mars well ahead. They have also stated that they view Moon, Mars and asteroids like they view the Senkaku islands in the South China Sea. They see it as first one to get there keeps it.
Without transparency, they could be hiding a lot of failure just like the Soviets. Not that failure is bad, but hiding it is bad. And I just don’t think they are capable of innovation like SpaceX. That requires criticism, sometimes of the government, sometimes of top officials, to make rapid progress. That is the opposite of what their system allows.
But like the Soviets, the meat sacks they are sending up are considered by their government more expendable than US/Space X counterparts so they may be able to innovate faster since they don’t have to worry about safety and redundant systems.
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
The Chinese space program is very sophisticated and much better thought out than the Soviet program. They have a very long term view, are very methodical and have been very successful. Given the uncertainty and stops and starts of the US human spaceflight program, the Chinese have a very good chance of exceeding our capability in about 10 years and getting to Mars well ahead. They have also stated that they view Moon, Mars and asteroids like they view the Senkaku islands in the South China Sea. They see it as first one to get there keeps it.
Without transparency, they could be hiding a lot of failure just like the Soviets. Not that failure is bad, but hiding it is bad. And I just don’t think they are capable of innovation like SpaceX. That requires criticism, sometimes of the government, sometimes of top officials, to make rapid progress. That is the opposite of what their system allows.
But like the Soviets, the meat sacks they are sending up are considered by their government more expendable than US/Space X counterparts so they may be able to innovate faster since they don’t have to worry about safety and redundant systems.
The one big difference is the commercial market is much bigger now. The customers expect safety and redundant systems to protect their assets. Most of the customers also want transparency. The commercial market is going to completely flip to SpaceX if they have a fully reusable rocket. There really is no way to compete with that other than to have a fully reusable rocket and the Chinese are still years away from even the Falcon 9.
I just don’t see what the Chinese are innovating at. I see them able to recreate what others have done, but they aren’t doing anything new. Seems like they are just using versions of soviet designs. Whereas we have SpaceX, Blue Origin and other smaller players doing truly innovative things with completely fresh designs.
Speaking of innovation, it may be happening right now. When I see the Chinese doing crazy stuff like this, then I’ll believe they are in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnG_mABtSQ&ab_channel=EverydayAstronaut
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
The Chinese space program is very sophisticated and much better thought out than the Soviet program. They have a very long term view, are very methodical and have been very successful. Given the uncertainty and stops and starts of the US human spaceflight program, the Chinese have a very good chance of exceeding our capability in about 10 years and getting to Mars well ahead. They have also stated that they view Moon, Mars and asteroids like they view the Senkaku islands in the South China Sea. They see it as first one to get there keeps it.
Without transparency, they could be hiding a lot of failure just like the Soviets. Not that failure is bad, but hiding it is bad. And I just don’t think they are capable of innovation like SpaceX. That requires criticism, sometimes of the government, sometimes of top officials, to make rapid progress. That is the opposite of what their system allows.
But like the Soviets, the meat sacks they are sending up are considered by their government more expendable than US/Space X counterparts so they may be able to innovate faster since they don’t have to worry about safety and redundant systems.
The one big difference is the commercial market is much bigger now. The customers expect safety and redundant systems to protect their assets. Most of the customers also want transparency. The commercial market is going to completely flip to SpaceX if they have a fully reusable rocket. There really is no way to compete with that other than to have a fully reusable rocket and the Chinese are still years away from even the Falcon 9.
I just don’t see what the Chinese are innovating at. I see them able to recreate what others have done, but they aren’t doing anything new. Seems like they are just using versions of soviet designs. Whereas we have SpaceX, Blue Origin and other smaller players doing truly innovative things with completely fresh designs.
So this is where some of my paranoia comes into play. They will not be able to compete in the commercial lift market (unless N. Korea is going to be paying for payloads), there’s not much profit to be made in basic scientific research, and they are behind in many other “firsts”. What if they are up there doing crazy particle physics research that results in the creation of a micro black hole that dooms us all? What other types of research would benefit the ruling elite?
I really do hope the Chinese try to compete in space. They will be making the same mistake as the Soviets did. They will bankrupt themselves trying.
Especially now that we have reusable boosters and soon entire rockets reusable. With a fully reusable space system, we will be able to build things in space at a fraction of the cost. Not only that, a reusable system allows us to send things into space at a much higher rate. While we build the penthouse, let them build the outhouse.
The Chinese space program is very sophisticated and much better thought out than the Soviet program. They have a very long term view, are very methodical and have been very successful. Given the uncertainty and stops and starts of the US human spaceflight program, the Chinese have a very good chance of exceeding our capability in about 10 years and getting to Mars well ahead. They have also stated that they view Moon, Mars and asteroids like they view the Senkaku islands in the South China Sea. They see it as first one to get there keeps it.
Without transparency, they could be hiding a lot of failure just like the Soviets. Not that failure is bad, but hiding it is bad. And I just don’t think they are capable of innovation like SpaceX. That requires criticism, sometimes of the government, sometimes of top officials, to make rapid progress. That is the opposite of what their system allows.
But like the Soviets, the meat sacks they are sending up are considered by their government more expendable than US/Space X counterparts so they may be able to innovate faster since they don’t have to worry about safety and redundant systems.
The one big difference is the commercial market is much bigger now. The customers expect safety and redundant systems to protect their assets. Most of the customers also want transparency. The commercial market is going to completely flip to SpaceX if they have a fully reusable rocket. There really is no way to compete with that other than to have a fully reusable rocket and the Chinese are still years away from even the Falcon 9.
I just don’t see what the Chinese are innovating at. I see them able to recreate what others have done, but they aren’t doing anything new. Seems like they are just using versions of soviet designs. Whereas we have SpaceX, Blue Origin and other smaller players doing truly innovative things with completely fresh designs.
So this is where some of my paranoia comes into play. They will not be able to compete in the commercial lift market (unless N. Korea is going to be paying for payloads), there’s not much profit to be made in basic scientific research, and they are behind in many other “firsts”. What if they are up there doing crazy particle physics research that results in the creation of a micro black hole that dooms us all? What other types of research would benefit the ruling elite?
To develop that crazy stuff, you need outside the box thinkers. The kind that usually are unconventional and quirky. Independent thinkers. That kind that usually get weeded out of the Communist system. Example, Jack Ma.
What other types of research would benefit the ruling elite?
Improving tinfoil production.
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so… why not destroy the falling mass with surface to air missile / laser? reminds me of youtube vids i watch how the russians decided to forgo safety escape systems for cosmonauts to hit their goals
Who would shoot it down? US, China?
Canada, obviously.
When skylab “hit” Australia, a town fined NASA for littering… It was finally paid out decades later. So there’s that.
amid all the smart posts on this thread – seriously the horsepower is super impressive . . .
is anyone else old enough to remember Skylab?
for some reason it terrified me as a little kid. Obsessive worry for a couple days.
this time, meh – it’s coming down somewhere.
I’m fascinated that with all the physics we know, we can’t make a prediction more accurate to a couple of hours, or where it’s going to land. I’ve been following this story with great interest. It sounds right now like there are going to be some surprised fish.