Changing saddles, losing fit specs? Any tips/tricks?

I have been riding on my pals spare bike and he has an Adamo Typhoon and my ass loves that seat! I have some no name POS that must be 20 years old and it’s so uncomfortable I can’t stand it.

Anyway, my custom tweak fit specs will most likely change right? Rails foam density…all that stuff changes I would assume, but perhaps I’m overdoing it.

When I was fit the bike fitter had a neat tool that nearly resembled a t-square that had a fitting that slipped right into the crank arm and a cross or T that fit over the top of the saddle so he could tell to the MM what my saddle height was.

Is there any way to mimic this with a home made concoction or do I need to go pay my LBS to do all this…I really hope not!

Thanks for any advice…the knowledge here on this site is just awesome.

Overcomplicating. Tape measure from the middle of the BB to the top of the middle of your current saddle. That is your seat height. Put new seat on. Set the seat to the same height. Estimate how much of a difference there is in foam compression. Move the new seat that much. Try it out. Feel the same?

Precision down to the mm is not a requirement here. Maybe down to the 2-3mm increment or so. If your seat height is off by much more than that, you will begin to notice it. As has been stated here many times, there is a fairly wide range of seat heights that are not going to make you less powerful. If 76.55 is your “sweet spot” then 76.7 ain’t no big deal.

Dave Luscan
www.endorphinfitness.com

Overcomplicating. Tape measure from the middle of the BB to the top of the middle of your current saddle. That is your seat height. Put new seat on. Set the seat to the same height. Estimate how much of a difference there is in foam compression. Move the new seat that much. Try it out. Feel the same?

Precision down to the mm is not a requirement here. Maybe down to the 2-3mm increment or so. If your seat height is off by much more than that, you will begin to notice it. As has been stated here many times, there is a fairly wide range of seat heights that are not going to make you less powerful. If 76.55 is your “sweet spot” then 76.7 ain’t no big deal.

Dave Luscan
www.endorphinfitness.com
Then why do people pay $400+ for a ‘sweet spot’ bike fitting?

Moving your saddle even a couple of mm’s will change things. I can tell when I’ve moved my seat forward, backwards, up, down, whatever by a few mm’s. clear as day.

To the OP…trial and error! Make sure you tape/mark/measure your original seat rails and seatpost so you can always come back to the original fit and try-again once you’ve moved everything.

Don’t forget that your ass/bones will sit on a different part of the seat on EVERY seat…so you can’t just ‘measure to the top of the middle of the saddle’ as the other poster suggested…especially with the Adamo.

Overcomplicating. Tape measure from the middle of the BB to the top of the middle of your current saddle. That is your seat height. Put new seat on. Set the seat to the same height. Estimate how much of a difference there is in foam compression. Move the new seat that much. Try it out. Feel the same?

Precision down to the mm is not a requirement here. Maybe down to the 2-3mm increment or so. If your seat height is off by much more than that, you will begin to notice it. As has been stated here many times, there is a fairly wide range of seat heights that are not going to make you less powerful. If 76.55 is your “sweet spot” then 76.7 ain’t no big deal.

Dave Luscan
www.endorphinfitness.com
Then why do people pay $400+ for a ‘sweet spot’ bike fitting?

Moving your saddle even a couple of mm’s will change things. I can tell when I’ve moved my seat forward, backwards, up, down, whatever by a few mm’s. clear as day.

To the OP…trial and error! Make sure you tape/mark/measure your original seat rails and seatpost so you can always come back to the original fit and try-again once you’ve moved everything.

Don’t forget that your ass/bones will sit on a different part of the seat on EVERY seat…so you can’t just ‘measure to the top of the middle of the saddle’ as the other poster suggested…especially with the Adamo.

Don’t worry I realize that, I KNOW the value of a custom fit. It was dramatic for me to get it done right. So much so that I talked to my fitter 20 minutes ago and he is going to do it for nothing since I already paid him once, but he told me to definitely let him do it b/c the area where my sitz bones will be on the Adamo is hugely different from my Fizik. He said it will require a saddle height change probably a smidge down and definitely some fore/aft change due to the rail config. I think I kind of knew the answer already, there are no short cuts, but I was gonna be a cheapo and try to do it myself, but since my fitter is a stud and doing it for nothing I’m good to go. Thanks.

Overcomplicating. Tape measure from the middle of the BB to the top of the middle of your current saddle. That is your seat height. Put new seat on. Set the seat to the same height. Estimate how much of a difference there is in foam compression. Move the new seat that much. Try it out. Feel the same?

Precision down to the mm is not a requirement here. Maybe down to the 2-3mm increment or so. If your seat height is off by much more than that, you will begin to notice it. As has been stated here many times, there is a fairly wide range of seat heights that are not going to make you less powerful. If 76.55 is your “sweet spot” then 76.7 ain’t no big deal.

Dave Luscan
www.endorphinfitness.com
Then why do people pay $400+ for a ‘sweet spot’ bike fitting?

Moving your saddle even a couple of mm’s will change things. I can tell when I’ve moved my seat forward, backwards, up, down, whatever by a few mm’s. clear as day.

To the OP…trial and error! Make sure you tape/mark/measure your original seat rails and seatpost so you can always come back to the original fit and try-again once you’ve moved everything.

Don’t forget that your ass/bones will sit on a different part of the seat on EVERY seat…so you can’t just ‘measure to the top of the middle of the saddle’ as the other poster suggested…especially with the Adamo.

You’re right Stal, you can’t “just” measure form the bottom bracket to the top of the seat. But you can start there correct? I am not sure what a $400 “sweet spot” bike fitting is? Can you elaborate? After all you coined the term, not me. When I used the term sweet spot it was not to describe a type of fit or an overall fitting philosophy, as seems to be the way you are responding here. What was meant was that the graph of efficiency over various seat heights would look like a table top, so as you get within your range, which is relatively large, you are not gaining or losing too much by not being dead center of that range.

When I do my non-sweet-spot-bike-fitting, I like to stress that it isn’t imperative that we found the absolutely perfect spot for your seat to be located down to the millimeter. We get to acceptable places based on angles and measurements and then we make little movements based on rider preference. I take them to the door and then they walk through it themselves. Though I can do some hand holding as necessary.

If you can discriminate a seat height that moves 2 millimeters, you are in the minority. It is certainly possible, but most people haven’t spent the time on the bike or simply do not possess that degree of spatial awareness. Half a centimeter seems to be where more folks become aware though 1cm of seat height movement is perceived correctly only 50% of the time, in my experience doing several hundred fits.

Moving your saddle even a couple of mm’s will indeed change things, the biggest change will be that your saddle is a couple mm’s higher or lower.

To the OP, this is not complicated. YOU CAN use that standard measurement from BB to top of seat as your starting point. Like I said, from there you take into consideration the differing heights of the seats themselves. Following that logic, of course if your sit bones fall onto a different part of the seat, then consider that as well. Usually this effect is much smaller than the difference in foam thickness.

Dave Luscan
www.endorphinfitness.com

relax.

No, I would not start with that measurement at all. I would start with a measurement to where your sitbones meet the seat…due to the aforementioned differences in seats. The measurement you described is largely without value.

Also, I define any $400 fit as a ‘sweet spot’ fit. If someone pays that much it had better be down to the millimeter to where one wants it in every way. That’s a lot of dough, at least for me. Maybe not for you.

Your new post, which is about 8x as long as your original answer, is about infinity times as valuable as your original post. A reasonable person would infer from your original post that you (as a fitter) would simply ‘eye-ball’ it with a simple non-seat-specific measurement then adjust accordingly. I wanted to make sure the original poster took into account the differences in seats, which can be MASSIVE especially with a seat like the Adamo. You failed to point this out, and without marking/measuring and taking the differences into account the original poster might lose all of the value in a fit which he/she most likely paid $400 for.

I won’t answer any of your other questions, as they are clearly an attack on my person and don’t really help the OP. I posted simply to make sure the OP didn’t ruin a fit which might have cost them a lot of dough.

And yes, bike fitting is very complicated, especially for people who don’t do hundreds of bike fits like you :slight_smile:

Fair enough. Glad we can kinda agree. I edited out those sorta personal attack questions. But I am curious as to how you personally quantify small changes, above and beyond the ability to identify them.

Dave Luscan
www.endorphiniftness.com

we’re both just trying to help! :slight_smile:

I use a power meter, am really bike-dorky, and constantly change tiny things on my different bikes which are largely set up identically from a fit perspective!