Canyon cfr V trek speed concept sl7 (P1)
So I’m lucky enough to have both these bikes available to me right now , pretty much same price
Just wondering on any feedback on either bikes
Sc will only have ultegra as cfr will have DA (both di2)
Sc won’t have power , cfr will but I have a power meter
Sc will have sl wheels which I think will be better than the dt Swiss
Sc will be lighter and possibly more comfortable with the iso set up , and will have local backing of bike shop V cfr with online support only
I was leaning towards the canyon , but the sc just became available so I’m probably now leaning towards the SC
Thoughts ?
I have the Canyon CFR and love it. I did check my fit coordinates and it was perfect.
Trek makes a great bike, but does cost a bit more. The DT Swiss wheels are every bit as good as the Zipps I had in my previous Canyon.
The built in power meter is a nice. The Dura Ace Di2 synchro shift works flawlessly.
Local bike shop should include free fit for the SC as well as stock the proprietary parts to adjust the fit any number of ways. That advantage will continue for the life of the bike as you wish to make adjustments or need small parts.
I was interested in both, and I took a Speedmax which I am really very happy with (I already had it before but with classic braking).
The DT Swiss are great wheels, both bikes are very good, but the nightmare is the SC cockpit. Look at the pros: no one uses the original one because not enough adaptation is possible because of the Trek system (which is easy to adjust), but the bars are not round, so you have to change everything.
In France, the Canayon service is excellent, and I don’t know how it will be in your country.
Crank arm length, the SC only comes with 172.5mm if I’m not mistaken, check with your LBS, I replaced the Shimano one for a Rotor ALDHU 165mm. Maybe Canyon has more options.
With Canyon you have the chance to get extended arm pads, for the SC you may need to look for Tririg scoops or other and this may limit the BTA usage. Although they are not cushy the flat bars works as extended arm support for me. (hint: Cee Gees makes outstanding cushy pads even for this SC pad).
Both wheels are great! However I had the chance to choose between the RSL 51, 65 and 75 without affecting the price (I’ve chosen the 75 front and rear), so you can probably choose the profile you prefer.
Race setup, with the Trek BTA you can also add another bottle above the BTA bottle. It is nice although I don’t see many people using it (I use it). Heard a pro complaining that on some descends, Nice course, it affected the bike stability.
Trek frame aero bottle, it is great, it holds ±750ml however just like any other aero bottle they are not thermal. They slide in and out easily, but if you don’t like it you can switch for one or two bottle cages of your preference.
The SC internal storage I could only fit these TPU/Latex tubes. A standard butyl one I have a really hard timing fitting it together with the fact that I could potentially damage the tube. The Canyon one looks much “easier”, but I have no experience.
The SC top tube storage (bento box) is big, you can fit bars, gels etc. and can be removed easily to clean.
I can’t say much about the ISO speed, but it is a very enjoyable bike to ride.
A friend had issues with a plastic part that holds the straw on his CFR, he that to import it from Germany and the shipping + taxes were way more expensive than the spare part itself.
Easy. Speed Concept. The Trek’s have been up there with Cervelo in terms of aerodynamics for a long time. I don’t think I’ve seen an aero/wind tunnel comparison to the Canyon, except for Sam Laidlow’s velodrome video. In the video, they had to work very hard to get the Canyon as fast as the Trek. What is meaningful, is they had a team of experts to help Sam with his aerodynamics, while the Trek he setup himself for Kona with no testing.
Then you also get the support of your local Trek dealer.
Unless you have unusual body dimensions, you can get it to fit.
The SC internal storage I could only fit these TPU/Latex tubes. A standard butil one I have a really hard timing fitting it together with the fact that I could potentially damage the tube. The Canyon one looks much “easier”, but I have no experience.
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Have you tried removing the storage holder from the cover, and then just putting whatever you want into a bag and inside the frame? I thought that was what a lot of folks were doing to get around the tiny stock tube/c02 ‘holder’.
The SC internal storage I could only fit these TPU/Latex tubes. A standard butyl one I have a really hard timing fitting it together with the fact that I could potentially damage the tube. The Canyon one looks much “easier”, but I have no experience.
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Have you tried removing the storage holder from the cover, and then just putting whatever you want into a bag and inside the frame? I thought that was what a lot of folks were doing to get around the tiny stock tube/c02 ‘holder’.
I haven’t tried yet, but I got this “hack” here on the forum and I intend to make a try in the next days. Currently I replaced the frame aero bottle with 2 Xlab Gorilla XT cages, but downtube cage kind of blocks the cover.
Easy. Speed Concept. The Trek’s have been up there with Cervelo in terms of aerodynamics for a long time. I don’t think I’ve seen an aero/wind tunnel comparison to the Canyon, except for Sam Laidlow’s velodrome video. In the video, they had to work very hard to get the Canyon as fast as the Trek. What is meaningful, is they had a team of experts to help Sam with his aerodynamics, while the Trek he setup himself for Kona with no testing.
Then you also get the support of your local Trek dealer.
Unless you have unusual body dimensions, you can get it to fit.
Absolute rubbish. How do you know how the bikes compared and which was more aero or how hard they had to work, was there data published?
Local bike shop should include free fit for the SC as well as stock the proprietary parts to adjust the fit any number of ways. That advantage will continue for the life of the bike as you wish to make adjustments or need small parts.
Most bike shops aren’t going to have the different options for the base bar, tower toppers, or tower bases. You order those specific parts during a p1 build and they aren’t cheap if you get it wrong. Best bet is to know your fit coordinates before you order.
Fit the bike to the rider. Not the other way around.
Crank arm length, the SC only comes with 172.5mm if I’m not mistaken, check with your LBS, I replaced the Shimano one for a Rotor ALDHU 165mm. Maybe Canyon has more options.
With Canyon you have the chance to get extended arm pads, for the SC you may need to look for Tririg scoops or other and this may limit the BTA usage. Although they are not cushy the flat bars works as extended arm support for me. (hint: Cee Gees makes outstanding cushy pads even for this SC pad).
Both wheels are great! However I had the chance to choose between the RSL 51, 65 and 75 without affecting the price (I’ve chosen the 75 front and rear), so you can probably choose the profile you prefer.
Race setup, with the Trek BTA you can also add another bottle above the BTA bottle. It is nice although I don’t see many people using it (I use it). Heard a pro complaining that on some descends, Nice course, it affected the bike stability.
Trek frame aero bottle, it is great, it holds ±750ml however just like any other aero bottle they are not thermal. They slide in and out easily, but if you don’t like it you can switch for one or two bottle cages of your preference.
The SC internal storage I could only fit these TPU/Latex tubes. A standard butyl one I have a really hard timing fitting it together with the fact that I could potentially damage the tube. The Canyon one looks much “easier”, but I have no experience.
The SC top tube storage (bento box) is big, you can fit bars, gels etc. and can be removed easily to clean.
I can’t say much about the ISO speed, but it is a very enjoyable bike to ride.
A friend had issues with a plastic part that holds the straw on his CFR, he that to import it from Germany and the shipping + taxes were way more expensive than the spare part itself.
Thanks
Nice write up
Ended up going the trek , no real reason just mainly due to the lbs in case I need them
I have a couple of canyon bikes ,while they are great , ordering the bike itself and then getting parts or changing bits is never simple
I have a aero coach aero bar set up coming that’s made fir the SC so it will be fitted at the shop so I’ll never deal with the standard bar that a lot complain about
Easy. Speed Concept. The Trek’s have been up there with Cervelo in terms of aerodynamics for a long time. I don’t think I’ve seen an aero/wind tunnel comparison to the Canyon, except for Sam Laidlow’s velodrome video. In the video, they had to work very hard to get the Canyon as fast as the Trek. What is meaningful, is they had a team of experts to help Sam with his aerodynamics, while the Trek he setup himself for Kona with no testing.
Then you also get the support of your local Trek dealer.
Unless you have unusual body dimensions, you can get it to fit.
The aero comparison you mention here is BS. At what point in the video do they make that claim? I’d bet my balls the SwissSide designed CFR is faster than the new SC. Did trek ever release any data compared to the rim brake SC?
I can think of reasons to get the Trek but aero isn’t one of them.
Easy. Speed Concept. The Trek’s have been up there with Cervelo in terms of aerodynamics for a long time. I don’t think I’ve seen an aero/wind tunnel comparison to the Canyon, except for Sam Laidlow’s velodrome video. In the video, they had to work very hard to get the Canyon as fast as the Trek. What is meaningful, is they had a team of experts to help Sam with his aerodynamics, while the Trek he setup himself for Kona with no testing.
Then you also get the support of your local Trek dealer.
Unless you have unusual body dimensions, you can get it to fit.
The aero comparison you mention here is BS. At what point in the video do they make that claim? I’d bet my balls the SwissSide designed CFR is faster than the new SC. Did trek ever release any data compared to the rim brake SC?
I can think of reasons to get the Trek but aero isn’t one of them.
3:30 into the video Sam says they worked long and found maybe 3 or 4 watts versus his old setup on his old bike. That’s position and bike setup comparisons and does not include helmet changes. However it does include Canyon’s integrated aerobar setup.
Easy. Speed Concept. The Trek’s have been up there with Cervelo in terms of aerodynamics for a long time. I don’t think I’ve seen an aero/wind tunnel comparison to the Canyon, except for Sam Laidlow’s velodrome video. In the video, they had to work very hard to get the Canyon as fast as the Trek. What is meaningful, is they had a team of experts to help Sam with his aerodynamics, while the Trek he setup himself for Kona with no testing.
Then you also get the support of your local Trek dealer.
Unless you have unusual body dimensions, you can get it to fit.
The aero comparison you mention here is BS. At what point in the video do they make that claim? I’d bet my balls the SwissSide designed CFR is faster than the new SC. Did trek ever release any data compared to the rim brake SC?
I can think of reasons to get the Trek but aero isn’t one of them.
3:30 into the video Sam says they worked long and found maybe 3 or 4 watts versus his old setup on his old bike. That’s position and bike setup comparisons and does not include helmet changes. However it does include Canyon’s integrated aerobar setup.
Crickets…funny how those who called me full of crap are quiet. Must be Canyon owners.
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3:30 into the video Sam says they worked long and found maybe 3 or 4 watts versus his old setup on his old bike. That’s position and bike setup comparisons and does not include helmet changes. However it does include Canyon’s integrated aerobar setup.
Crickets…funny how those who called me full of crap are quiet. Must be Canyon owners.
Nope, just don’t waste as much time as you on ST. Don’t even have notifications turned on for replies, so I don’t see most of them.
That comment by SL says nothing about the bikes, just that he was dialed and it’s hard to find another 3-4 watts at zero yaw, as expected.
The rim brake SC was proven fast, but Trek hasn’t been eager to share an apple to apple comparison with their old bike, which tells us something. At launch they said it saves X minutes only to explain its because of the wheels, the BTA, and the extensions. Frame got wider and more truncated. Reminded me a bit of the Shiv launch.
I’d trust Ballard to have the faster design. You won’t know til you test yourself but some bets are safer than others.
I have a aero coach aero bar set up coming that’s made fir the SC so it will be fitted at the shop so I’ll never deal with the standard bar that a lot complain about
What are the complaints about the stock cockpit setup?
I never installed it but I have all the parts ( I installed the Aerocoach setup on the initial build) and I was curious about swapping just to compare and see.
If your Aerocoach bars have not shipped yet, and if you’ve never tried them: have a look at the angle of the handles versus the bar. I find they are a bit too parallel for comfort so far from me 0 I have to bend my wrist a bit too much. I do wish the angle of the handles was a bit steeper. They can make it so if you tell them ahead of time - can’t be replaced later.
Looking at the recent LS video where he did aero testing, he seems to have the same Ascalon bars but with steeper angles on the handles, which appears more comfortable than stock.
I have a aero coach aero bar set up coming that’s made fir the SC so it will be fitted at the shop so I’ll never deal with the standard bar that a lot complain about
What are the complaints about the stock cockpit setup?
I never installed it but I have all the parts ( I installed the Aerocoach setup on the initial build) and I was curious about swapping just to compare and see.
If your Aerocoach bars have not shipped yet, and if you’ve never tried them: have a look at the angle of the handles versus the bar. I find they are a bit too parallel for comfort so far from me 0 I have to bend my wrist a bit too much. I do wish the angle of the handles was a bit steeper. They can make it so if you tell them ahead of time - can’t be replaced later.
Looking at the recent LS video where he did aero testing, he seems to have the same Ascalon bars but with steeper angles on the handles, which appears more comfortable than stock.
Just thought I would mention it.
Thanks
Yeah they have allready shipped and to honest I didn’t do sot of research on the bars pre purchase as I neded the fast so they can be built into my new build
I’m not even gunna try the stock bars as they are too wide for me
I’m hopeing they will be ok as I’ve run just straight aero bars for years , which in theory could be worse on your wrist than the. Aero coach bars
Time will tell I suppose