These moral lapses at the least and criminal issues by penn state officials are an order of magnitude worse than any football related violation that I can think of. Can the NCAA penalize the football program for all the shit.
Doubt they would do that as that would penalize the kids currently there…I think the admin will just clean house ,and try to start over
Those that knew about the atrocities should should somehow be punished for not going directly to the authorities.
Hopefully Sandusky will kill himself…though, ewven better, hopefully he won’t and go to prison, and get his there.
I think the NCAA should give the current players a free pass to transfer to any college they want without sitting out a year, and give them an extra year of eligibility and then just crush Penn state’s program.
The death penalty is for repeat violations when already on probation, so no. I’m not even sure what NCAA rules were violated. If they dig into some of the Bowl trips etc. that Sandusky was handing out to his victims there are probably some violations. I know he offered a walk-on spot to at least one of the victims.
Thom
Thom:
Sandusky was NOT employed by Penn State at the time of his “offers” were made to his victim. Sandusky was OUT in 1999.
That’s like Magic telling some kid that he can walk onto Izzo’s team. Or Magic taking some of his charity cases to the Final Four. How in the heck is MSU supposed to control that?
Anywho, PSU definitely lost the riot war with MSU. Only one overturned media truck. Weak. East Lansing would have overturned it AND set it on fire 
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
You apparently have a long simmer hatred for football or PSU or something. All those who were implicated have been punished or will soon be. This really has nothing to do with the actual football team. Would you be so obsesssed with if it were a volleyball team???
Get over it.
I have no long simmering hatred for Penn State. I do have a long simmering hatred for pedophiles and child molesters as well as those who have knowledge of such and do nothing or not enough to stop it from occurring.
It has everything to do with the football team, as the coaching staff is directly implicated. The university, university officials and other are directly implicated. Alleged acts took place in football facilities.
Does it involve players. No. Does it involve a culture of cover-up and malfeasance. Yes.
He would still be considered a booster. If any of those kids were considered recruits it would be a violation as he would be a representative of the university. Wolverine basketball was taken down by a booster that was not an employee but had access to the program.
In reality, the NCAA is the least of PSU’s problems.
If Izzo got fired they might have to bring the national Guard into East Lansing We’re trying to move past the "riot’ reputation, but I’ll admit, it is somewhat deserved.
Thom:
Sandusky was NOT employed by Penn State at the time of his “offers” were made to his victim. Sandusky was OUT in 1999.
That’s like Magic telling some kid that he can walk onto Izzo’s team. Or Magic taking some of his charity cases to the Final Four. How in the heck is MSU supposed to control that?
Yes, it’s exactly like your hypothetical Magic example.
Now I am assuming in your hypothetical Magic still has an office in the MSU basketball building, used the MSU facilites to woo the kids, and then was caught anally raping a 10 yr old in MSU’s basketball facilities shower. After which he retained all of the above except his shower raping privliges. Yes, exactly the same.
The primary incident happened 10 years. Outside of McQueary and Paterno, how are the coaches and players today remotely responsible for any of that.
Often times, the players are not directly related to the malfeasance of coaches in NCAA infraction cases. Look at USC, none of the current players were around for the Reggie Bush issues.
Happens all the time. The issue is that the punishment is for the institution. Hence, I suggested that if punishment were allowable under NCAA rules, that the players be given a free pass to transfer anywhere without sitting out a year and also be given an extra year of eligibility.
The primary incident happened 10 years. Outside of McQueary and Paterno, how are the coaches and players today remotely responsible for any of that.
Its a program. If the program is corrupt the whole program usualy gets punished in some way. If five of your star players violate policy and get suspended does that not effect the whole team even though they may have done nothing?
The house cleaning is far from over in this and there still may be some rats that were aware who are part of the system. Any action against the school is the fault of those at the top and those that didnt report the issue. Ultimately the school will be punished for the actions of a few because they were not doing their job.
BTW they deserve anything they get because they were aware and tried to handle this internally. That is NOT their job when it comes to things of this nature. The millions will start flowing very soon.
Are you implying guily by association. Happens every day, no?
I have no qualms that the institution should be punished, but I think the legal process will take care of that.
The question is did PSU break any NCAA rules? Thom pointed out a possible “booster” issue as Sandusky, as part of his retirement package was able to keep his offices in the football building, hence using undue influence. But Sandusky was making promises and giving away stuff to, as I’ve mostly read, young children. I can’t say for sure if they were actually recruits, nor do I know NCAA recruiting rules well enough to surmise.
Could they nail PSU for some “conduct unbecoming to the NCAA” or something, for sure, if that exists. Does it?
I am saying that the leaders of the program are likely guilty of either an actual crime and/or university rules and just a sense of morality, duty and honor.
I am just questioning whether the NCAA has authority to sanction the program for these non-football related activities. To me they are a hell of a lot worse than any payment or recruiting violation that could occur that have gotten programs into a lot more trouble.
I am saying that the leaders of the program are likely guilty of either an actual crime and/or university rules and just a sense of morality, duty and honor.
I am just questioning whether the NCAA has authority to sanction the program for these non-football related activities. To me they are a hell of a lot worse than any payment or recruiting violation that could occur that have gotten programs into a lot more trouble.
The actions of Sandusky and some of the others are worse than scholarship violations, and are/could be criminal. I would think the NCAA would take care of collegiate athletics, and allow the criminal justice system to take care of that side of it. I’ve got no problem with that.
“I would think the NCAA would take care of collegiate athletics, and allow the criminal justice system to take care of that side of it. I’ve got no problem with that.”
They stated as much today, in essence that the civil and criminal system takes precedence over any policies of the association…that’s not to say they won’t ever put their two cents’ worth in, but not until this plays out through the legal process.
Turn it around, do you think the police would have been called, or a cover-up hatched if it were the volleyball team’s program involved??
My point was not about the police being called. The reality is, this never would have made major news if it was some minor sport. It certainly would not have generated this much talk. That was the point I intended to make. Would people be calling for a university to be dismantled if it were some minor sport??? I seriously doubt it. But because it is a high visibililty program, with a sterling reputation and a legend as coach, it was front page news.
PSU has a kick ass volleyball team BTW.
And you NEVER know what depths people will stoop to protect what they think is important.
My point was just that you can’t separate the incident from the school so readily, punishment could and should be wider because it was allowed to continue because the program was to be protected. If it was just volleyball tis wouldn’t be front page news because cops likely would have been called and Sandusk would not have set foot on the campus again if he was the v-ball coach.
I know about their v-ball program, I grew up playing 2-man beach volleyball in So. Cal. Some East Coast schools have certainly improved since my day when it was an all Pac-10 dominated sport.
The primary incident happened 10 years. Outside of McQueary and Paterno, how are the coaches and players today remotely responsible for any of that.
Have you even followed the story? There are at least 20 victims with incidents in the PSU locker room stretching back to 1998 when he was still a coach. And that’s just the ones we know about now. You think that somehow PSU didn’t know of the 1998 incidents that were investigated by police and taken to the DA?
Here’s the timeline. Architect of some of the most famous defenses in college football and heir apparent to JoePa gets investigated in 1998, while he was still coach, of molesting 2 11 yr old boys in the PSU shower. Police are in the house of one of the boys listening as Sandusky pleads with the mother of one of the children for forgiveness and admits what he did to him was wrong. Police take info to DA, who declines to prosecute (and mysteriously disappears a few years later). Now, all of this has to take a little time right? So in 1999, at the height of his career, Sandusky “retires” and is never offered another position in college football. But PSU lets him stay on campus, have an office, have access to the facilities, and to continue to bring young boys to said facilities. Yeah, the coaches (JoePa) and PSU aren’t remotely responsible for any of this. You are talking about a coach (JoePa) who ran that program and school with an iron fist. AD’s felt powerless against him. So yeah, I can believe he kenw nothing of any of these incidents…