I had somebody watch me run and look at the tread on my shoe, and he said I supinate, and that this is one reason I need to look into for ITBS issues. I couldn’t believe that so I got on a treadmill and filmed the back of my stride from behind looking at my footstrike. Sure enough, I land on outside of my heel and roll out or land on the outside of the foot, in a crashing manner on both sides.
I ran in a Brooks Radius 04, for 3 monts, and immediately had problems past mile 15 on my right ITB area. I used to get it on my left, but now I have it on my right. I do all the foam roller ITBS exercises and could write a book about ITBS.
Anyway, I have sidelined those Brooks shoes and went back with my NB 1221s. After this marathon, I’m going shoe shopping. I looked around and read that under pronators want a neutral cushioned shoe. I don’t like wide toeboxes of the Asics. The sites say, for supinators, the Cumulus or even 2050s or something of Asics.
Last year I ran in the Kayano’s. They are pretty but too loosy in the front area. I have a thin foot ,high arches, and learn now I don’t need over pronation control.
Just a note to say that the 2050’s and the Kayano’s are stability/motion control shoes. Just look for a confortable shoe that doesn’t have motion control “devices”.
I was reading where we need almost something like a flat to allow the foot to roll inward. Brooks Radius was neutral cushion, but it had too much medial support/and arch support. All that did I think was push up on the arch which worsens the crash landing on the outside of the foot. My instinct is to believe that for under pronators, you almost want no arch support, you would want a flimsy shoe.
YOu’re almost right. A good training shoe for supinators is kind of like a flat but with a bit more cushioning. Usually there aren’t many models available for supinators. Anyway I can’t help you much since I don’t know the shoes available in the US market.
I would recommend you check the Mizuno Wave Rider or Precision. I’m also an under pronator and have used both shoes in the past and been really happy with them. The Precision is a neutral, lightweight trainer that could be used as racing shoe for IM and/ or marathons. The Wave Rider is also a neutral shoe but has a little more cushioning. I actually probably prefer the Precision as it feels a little quicker and I don’t really notice the reduced cushioning. Good luck.
I am also an underpronator that had a nasty case of ITBS last season. And, I too had my stride filed on a treadmill at my local running shoe establishment. They hooked me up with the Mizuno Wave Alchemy IVs. I’ve logged about 300 miles in them so far with no problems at all. In fact, it feels like my legs/feet are doing less work with each stride and I’ve been able to up my mileage at a fairly steady rate. They aren’t the most attractive kickers I’ve ever had but they seem to work and if you keep you cadence up there no one will notice…
I sell running shoes for a living. You definitely need a neutral or cushioned (the terms are interchangable) shoe. Stay away from any stability or motion control shoe. Your NB 1221 is a high end stability shoe, definitely not what you need. A stability or MC shoe holds you up and prevents inward (medial side or arch side) movement. All the shoe companies make a shoe that is designed for your supination. I also supinate but not so much that it hurts my ITB. Currently, I like the Asics Landreth, Cumulus, Adidas Supernova Cushion, and Mizuno Precision. I like the Asics and Mizuno for runs under 10 miles and the Adidas for longer distances. Go to a speciality store, tell them what you’re looking for and if they bring you a stability shoe, walk out the door. There isn’t a shoe made that will push you towards the medial side. The best you can find is a more flexible shoe that will promote that inward movement. I’ve found that severe supinators that can’t find a shoe that works are good candidates for custom orthotics. Also, try to run on level surfaces. Running on the side of roads that are cambered are notorious for causing ITB issues. Good luck.
Another supinator here. I’m currently running in Mizuno Wave Rider 7 – which are good for my supination issues but a fairly poor fit (they rub on top of my big toes).
I’ve also had good luck with Nike Pegasus. I think my next pair of shoes will be Adidas Supernova Cushion.
Asics are supposed to be good, but I’ve had issues with fit.
Even though you say you don’t wan Asics I vote Asics Nimbus. I had the same problem as you to the point I could not walk properly. I got the Nimbus and the same day ran with absolutely no problems. I have not looked back since. They have 800 odd kilometers on them now and still no pain.
you want to go with a neutral running shoe. any type of medial posting will cause the mechanics of your foot and lower leg to get buggered, and subsequently cause problems up the kinetic chain (and hence you get ITB issues). every shoe company out there makes them (Asics, NB, Brooks, Mizuno, etc). the best thing you can do is go to a reputable running store in your area, and try a bunch of them on. if it is a good store, they will let you run around in them (or if they are high end, will have a treadmill present…although the cushion will be aided with the treadmill). there is a store here in Halifax, Canada that actually lets you run outside (if it is decent out) on the pavement.
i second the mizuno wave rider recommendation. you may also consider the wave creation. basically the same shoe, but the creation is a little beefier and has more cushion. i, like you, have HUGE arches (the guy at the shoe store i get mine from said they were the biggest he’d ever seen! ) i’ve also suffered through tight ITBS for over a year now. i came down w/ it after my first marathon and have been fighting it ever since. however, the rider has been awesome for me. it’s relatively light weight, and provides good cushioninig. anyways, my .02
several good recomendations here. i would add the saucony triumph (not the triumph 2, see if you can find last year’s model). it actually has a little bit of lateral posting (on the outside of the shoe), which was taken off the triumph 2 that may help. i would also second the adidas supernova cushion, the asics landreth/cumulus/nimbus, the new balance 1023/753/871 (871 is a light trail shoe) and the mizuno wave rider/precision/creation. other options from brooks (which seem to be rather narrow) are the glycerin and the epiphany
I would recommend you check the Mizuno Wave Rider or Precision…
I supinate pretty “badly” and I switched from Asics Nimbus to Mizuno Wave Creation a few seasons ago (after I dropped some extra weight). Love them. The Nimbus have lots of cushioning, but the Mizunos are lighter and feel less like running with a big old kleenex box on yer feet (i.e.: big and bulky).
I’m a podiatrist and get this question frequently as I see lots of runners. Without going into details about what you said and just some off the cuff trial recs:
Mizuno Wave Precision - fast shoe, very “airy” and good for racing/shorter training under 15K - still plenty of cushioning (and they look great)
New Baland 1023 - very “neutral” and cushy - not heavy, but better for longer training runs
Get them both and use them as above to minimize “repetitive” stresses