CADEX IMPROVES THE "WHOOSH WHOOSH"

Originally published at: CADEX IMPROVES THE “WHOOSH WHOOSH” - Slowtwitch News

CADEX has doubled down on the first generation of the Max Aero Disc and CADEX Aero 4-Spoke Wheel Systems, or as I call them, the “whoosh whoosh wheels”, (the sound that most everyone will know and love when riding on a carbon bladed wheel). In the sport of football (the American one) it’s Bigger, Faster and Stronger. In the “real” sport of cycling, it’s Stronger, Lighter and Stiffer. And CADEX is going after it. The first thing I noticed is they’ve changed the exposed finish from 18k to 1k, which gives it a sleeker appearance, and I feel that will go well with any bike they’re put on. It also helps justify the price tag, and what CADEX is trying to achieve here. To put it more simply: 1K (1,000 filaments per Tow) is superior to 18K (18,000 filaments per Tow) when it comes to weight and smoothness. So, when you are trying to build something that is Stonger, Lighter and Stiffer, 1K Carbon > 18k Carbon.


FULL SPECS FOR THE 4 SPOKE WHEELS

  • Rim Material Ultralight 1K Full Composite
  • Rim Height 50mm (front), 65mm (rear)
  • Rim Outer Width 30mm (front), 32mm (rear)
  • Rim Inner Width 22.4mm
  • Front Hub CADEX R3-C Hub, Centerlock
  • Rear Hub CADEX R3-C40 Hub, 40T Ratchet Driver, Centerlock
  • Hub Compatibility SRAM XDR / Shimano HG / Campagnolo
  • Bearing CADEX Ceramic
  • Axle 100×12 Thru Axle (front), 142×12 Thru Axle (rear)
  • Weight w/o valve 880g (front), 1047g (rear)
  • Warranty Lifetime (registered original owner only)
  • Incident Replacement 5 years (registered original owner only)

Looking at the specs, we can see that the technology has stayed the same, although Giant have also increased the warranty to “lifetime,” instead of “5 years,” and incident coverage to “5 years” instead of “2 years.” Which means they are either backing their changes or they have figured out, over the last three years, that these wheels just don’t have issues. Regardless, that’s a great improvement over the last version.

As we all know, lateral stiffness is critical to performance as no one wants the feeling of a wheel flexing underneath them. With the advancement of tubeless and hookless rims, we now have the ability to have a very stiff wheel without the noticeable feel of the old tubular at 200 PSI.

While it’s not in the press release, we did see these at the press event last night and, to be frank, it’s the direction they are going with tire sizes and it’s a very welcome one.

We have written about these wheels in the past, and I’ve been able to spend quite a bit of time on the current CADEX 4 spoke wheel set, and they’re relatively stiff. When out of the saddle and cornering they give confidence. If you induce enough side load, you’ll know they are, in fact, deflecting a bit, but that takes a lot of effort.   

Tested: CADEX Aero 4-Spoke Wheelset

Having the closest aerodynamic performance possible to that provided by a disc wheel, along with the stiffness to sprint and corner, is something road and crit racers alike are looking for. What used to only be known as a tt/triathlon wheelset will now be fair game for other areas, including on gravel.

And yes.. Doesnt everyone test out really fast carbon fiber wheels with big gravel tires on hundreds of miles of Limestone gravel?

In closing, it’s important to compare the performance of these wheels to others. Keep in mind that a traditional steel spoked wheel has a good amount of give and wind up based on how it’s laced. Something people often experience and hear is the sound of spokes popping and clicking as they deflect and rub while transferring power. (Climbing out of the saddle is a great example of this.) With a stiff carbon bladed wheel, this is no longer an issue or concern. The sensation of being pushed forward as you leave the saddle, or put out higher effort, will propel you forward almost effortlessly. This gives the rider instant gratification and confidence in the power they’re producing to move forward.

Now to the biggest change in the wheelsystem: the Max Aero Disc

Gone are the days of a hollow or foam-filled disc. Adding spokes to improve transmission and lateral stiffness, the new Disc can be adjusted and tensioned internally. The rear hub is now the R3-C40 20h, designed to put spokes at a wider angle, which helps with load balancing. With this change, they’re able to lighten up the cover sheet of carbon and drop the wheel weight to 1,000g, down from the previous 1,154g.  It’s all about checks and balances, and they’ve been able to make it lighter and stiffer by putting more effort into redesigning the wheel, rather than sticking with older technology. As far as numbers go, comparing it to the Aero Disc, the Max Aero Disc is 54.3% stiffer laterally and 20.2% better on the transmission side. When looking at stiffness-to-weight ratio, the Max is 78.1% stiffer laterally and 38.7% stiffer in transmission. This will lead to a much more efficient wheel, both in stats and in feeling when riding.

1K fiber up close


FULL SPECS

  • Rim Material Ultralight 1K Full Composite
  • Rim Outer Width 28.4mm
  • Rim Inner Width 22.4mm
  • Hub CADEX R3-C40, Ratchet Driver, Centerlock One-piece
  • integrated hub and spokes
  • Hub Compatibility SRAM XDR / Shimano HG / Campagnolo
  • Bearing CADEX Ceramic
  • Axle 142×12 Thru Axle
  • Spokes Hidden Reinforced CADEX Aero Carbon Spoke
  • Lacing DBL, 20H
  • Nipple Hidden Integrated Alloy Nipple
  • Weight w/o valve 1,000g (with Shimano freehub)
  • Warranty Lifetime (registered original owner only)
  • Incident Replacement 5 years (registered original owner only)

“These are the fastest wheel and tire combo I have even been on,” said Team Jayco AlUla rider Luke Plapp.

We have some exciting stuff to dive into later today on what LIV and GIANT have released as well. But just in case here is a teaser …

To sum it all up: CADEX didn’t have that much to improve on when it came to the 4 spoke. The first generation’s variants have been great and perform phenomenally in all conditions and situations. That said, I do believe the improvements made on the set has opened the door to make it a viable wheel set in many more scenarios. In a world where every watt and gram counts, CADEX continues to strive for gains.

@Nick_wovebike is going to have a fit when you share the info on the bikes you’re teasing. At least aftermarket bar parts makers won’t be going out of business.

ha why do you say that?

MSRP?

Very reach limited on the info I’ve seen. Somewhat less than the old bike.

Thats not what we have seen or been told.

wheels are up on the Cadex site but no prices

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beautiful TT bike. love it. sure it’ll require some modifications to get far enough forward for some folks, but that’s the case with all bikes at this time. With those modifications, like the 3D printed risers Trevor and Rudy have from Speedbar, it’s a bike worthy of the best riders.

The wheels look amazing

Certainly seems to be a TT bike first and foremost. No pad reach data on there but looks like a pretty short stem without much front end reach options on standard stack/reach geometry. Maybe they’ll have a longer stem option for tri?

Will be interesting to see whether there is a regional difference in spec. Or a difference in quality of info.

The bars look to be, as usual for Giant, the major downfall of the bike.

Sweet baby jaesus!

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Maybe someone can help me understand, but how practical is it to actually adjust spoke tension on a disk wheel with a bonded fairing? Would you ever actually do this? There’s no access to the spokes to check tension, so how do you know what you are doing with any accuracy?

$4,350 - $4,850 for a wheelset is absolutely absurd.

Imagine if hookless had not brought down the prices in manufacturing :slight_smile:

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The spoke tension can be felt by how the nipple turns. However, the tension on a spoke is not that important.

You simply need to true the wheel, which is readily evident by using your eyes and ears. You can also use a micrometer if you are so inclined.

the only brand i’ve seen that actually used the hookless process to pass savings to the consumer has been zipp. this is curious to me because omitting the hook theoretically commoditizes the high performance wheel. but then again in my experience it takes a loooong time for brands to capitulate out of their ways of doing things. HOKA comes to mind. i think it’s closing in on $2 billion in sales and it took forever for brands to do anything but jab and mock at that brand.

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Which is funny because they are cheaper then gen 1 :slight_smile:

You beat me with this comment :slight_smile:
That would have been an upgrade……

On a different note, a quick look and almost all Cadex wheels are at least 22.4 mm inner width of the rim so following the ETRTO norm should be at least 28 mm tires but the Cadex list now at lot of 25 mm tires as compatible on their wheels.
If I put the 25 mm tire in the advised tire pressure calculator on their website at an inner rim width of 22.4 mm wheel they give me 5.4 bar optimal pressure but max norm is 5 bar for hookless, right……

I don’t get it anymore……

Jeroen

I’m not sure what price list you are using but they are all € 200-400 more expensive as Gen 1.

Jeroen