Was thinking of going tubeless, but will probably end up sticking with tubes for now. The last couple years I have used GP5000’s with both latex and butyl tubes on HED Jets, and have had quite a few flats. Previous to that, used GP4000 w/latex and no flats in 2+ years. As well, the 5000’s are a bear to install…
So if I am sticking with vittoria / silca latex tubes, what is the next best choice of tire with that nice compromise of rolling resistance and puncture resistance??
I’m in the same boat, and I understood since recently, that you can run gp 5000 tt tr also with inner tubes. They are a bit faster than the 5000 clincher, and alledgedly still pretty good avoiding flats. So that’s what I’m buying next season (will run the tt tr with latex inner tubes).
This how I run the TT also.
In few past years, used Schwalbe pro one TT and Michelin power cup. Both fees slightly faster than 5000 but sligthly less protected.
Decide to leave them for race days, and use anything more protected for trainings.
I’m in the same boat, and I understood since recently, that you can run gp 5000 tt tr also with inner tubes. They are a bit faster than the 5000 clincher, and alledgedly still pretty good avoiding flats. So that’s what I’m buying next season (will run the tt tr with latex inner tubes).
I’ve a newer road bike and it and my wheel set accommodates tubeless wider tires. I’ve been running the gp 5000 s tr 30mm tubeless w/sealant this year and absolutely love them. My tri bike will only run latex 25mm so it just sits in the garage until race day.
If you can remember the first time you ran latex, how smooth and fast you felt, then for me, going tubeless is the next step up from that. Love the feel of them on the road and the extra protection the sealant provides.
Vittoria Corsa Pro. Michelin Power Cup.
TJ, how are they putting them on? I am similar to OP in running gp5000 with latex and HED. I bought a set of s tr tubeless, but haven’t jumped ship yet on running tubes.
What wheels are you running?
TJ, how are they putting them on? I am similar to OP in running gp5000 with latex and HED. I bought a set of s tr tubeless, but haven’t jumped ship yet on running tubes.
What wheels are you running?
My Roubaix came with carbon Roval C38 wheelset. The tubeless gp5000s seal with one CO2 cartridge (no sealant). I then attach my floor pump and get them up to 80psi and can hear them pop. After that I remove the valve stem and add Orange seal and then pump them to riding pressure.
I love the Rovals so much that I bought another pair (used) and put on my gravel bike. I can mount the Specialized Pathfinders 38 or 42mm tubeless with one CO2 cartridge as well.
The Rovals make tubeless easier than mounting GP5K tube tires on my tri bike!
Recently discussed: https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/?post=7991459#p7991459
I can’t get a GP5000 on my Swiss Side Hadron rear wheel, so I’m going to try the Michelin Power Cup.
The rolling resistance site recommends the GP5000 TR and the Pirelli Race TLR (the new speedcore - made in Italy version).
They say the Conti’s are slightly faster, but the Pirelli’s are much better puncture protection.
I’ve used the Pirellis for a few years in 24, 26 and 28 tubeless and rate them highly. I recently got the speedcore model in 30s and love them. I’m happy to forego the tiny wattage benefit of the Conti for the better protection of the Pirelli. I recently changed my rear and it hadn’t had a puncture (that didn’t seal with sealant).
It’s worth noting that the speedcore model is hard to come by at the moment, probably due being so new.
Ere Research might have what you are looking for
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Vittoria Corsa Pro. Michelin Power Cup.
These are the best alternatives currently, imo. And possibly the Tufo Comtura Prima if they ride similar to the SES but with much improved BRR results.
Give up 1W and gain a world in rolling smooth as butter. After riding Power Cups, I can’t go back to GP5k. Hate them on loaners. You don’t know how poorly the GP rides til you try something supple and spend the first few red lights checking whether you have a flat.
I am running 4 sets of wheels for what seems like years now:
1 x GP5000 TR TDF
2 x GP5000 TR (one pair Hed Jet)
1 x GP5000 with butyl tubes
I had my first flat in the wet in a tubeless set that put a big cut so was glass or the like and didn’t seal initially very well but was luckily not far from home and limped home. I won’t change based on how well they roll and I don’t get flats. The glass would have cut any tyre. I was using GP4000 before that and had plenty of flats. My 2c…
I love my Tufo gravel tires, I think I’m going to try those road tires.
Funny, Tufo used to have a reputation for terrible tires and they are killing it now.
Vittoria Corsa Pro. Michelin Power Cup.
These are the best alternatives currently, imo. And possibly the Tufo Comtura Prima if they ride similar to the SES but with much improved BRR results.
Give up 1W and gain a world in rolling smooth as butter. After riding Power Cups, I can’t go back to GP5k. Hate them on loaners. You don’t know how poorly the GP rides til you try something supple and spend the first few red lights checking whether you have a flat.
Which one would you say is the easiest to change in a race situation ? GP5000 I have currently are a huge pain to do by hand, loosing 1w is fine if I can gain 5 minutes once in while to change the tire.
Was thinking of going tubeless, but will probably end up sticking with tubes for now. The last couple years I have used GP5000’s with both latex and butyl tubes on HED Jets, and have had quite a few flats. Previous to that, used GP4000 w/latex and no flats in 2+ years. As well, the 5000’s are a bear to install…
So if I am sticking with vittoria / silca latex tubes, what is the next best choice of tire with that nice compromise of rolling resistance and puncture resistance??
and you’re eschewing the move to tubeless because… your wheels aren’t tubeless compliant? or…?
Was thinking of going tubeless, but will probably end up sticking with tubes for now. The last couple years I have used GP5000’s with both latex and butyl tubes on HED Jets, and have had quite a few flats. Previous to that, used GP4000 w/latex and no flats in 2+ years. As well, the 5000’s are a bear to install…
So if I am sticking with vittoria / silca latex tubes, what is the next best choice of tire with that nice compromise of rolling resistance and puncture resistance??
and you’re eschewing the move to tubeless because… your wheels aren’t tubeless compliant? or…?
My concern, which may be completely unfounded, is that I do very little riding outdoors, and was concerned with having sealant in wheels that aren’t being used/turned often. But if this really shouldn’t be a concern, then I am very open to trying tubeless.
Was thinking of going tubeless, but will probably end up sticking with tubes for now. The last couple years I have used GP5000’s with both latex and butyl tubes on HED Jets, and have had quite a few flats. Previous to that, used GP4000 w/latex and no flats in 2+ years. As well, the 5000’s are a bear to install…
So if I am sticking with vittoria / silca latex tubes, what is the next best choice of tire with that nice compromise of rolling resistance and puncture resistance??
I ran Vittoria for years stubbornly flat after flat after flat. I finally switched to GPs and haven’t had any issues. Vittoria roll awesome but are so delicate.
Was thinking of going tubeless, but will probably end up sticking with tubes for now. The last couple years I have used GP5000’s with both latex and butyl tubes on HED Jets, and have had quite a few flats. Previous to that, used GP4000 w/latex and no flats in 2+ years. As well, the 5000’s are a bear to install…
So if I am sticking with vittoria / silca latex tubes, what is the next best choice of tire with that nice compromise of rolling resistance and puncture resistance??
and you’re eschewing the move to tubeless because… your wheels aren’t tubeless compliant? or…?
My concern, which may be completely unfounded, is that I do very little riding outdoors, and was concerned with having sealant in wheels that aren’t being used/turned often. But if this really shouldn’t be a concern, then I am very open to trying tubeless.
at that point i guess i don’t think it matters. but tubeless is not a problem on the trainer, it’s just a problem if the wheels don’t ever turn. then, yeah, that’s an issue.
To avoid this, I rotate my wheels every once in a while when I don’t ride. And use Fillmore valves to avoid plugging them by doing so.