Anyone recommend any particular aero sensor over others, and why?
Thanks.
There have been lots announced, but very few released. The Notio is out and relatively inexpensive at $599. The AeroLab sensor used by ERO seems to work well, but I don’t know if they are available to the general public (I think it is a subscription service) and the software and training seems to have been in the “coming soon†category for some time. Aerosensor is the newest and they start limited sales tomorrow. You might wait and see if someone like DC Rainmaker has a review
Thank you for the help. Will take a look.
Aerosensor is the newest and they start limited sales tomorrow. You might wait and see if someone like DC Rainmaker has a review
Looks (finally) like something easy to use
Aerosensor just posted they have new stock available for their system:
There have been lots announced, but very few released. The Notio is out and relatively inexpensive at $599. The AeroLab sensor used by ERO seems to work well, but I don’t know if they are available to the general public (I think it is a subscription service) and the software and training seems to have been in the “coming soon†category for some time. Aerosensor is the newest and they start limited sales tomorrow. You might wait and see if someone like DC Rainmaker has a review
That owner of Aerolab died very unexpectedly last year, I think it was August last year, and since then the whole website looks like nothing happens there anymore. Just the support page with manuals etc is live.
Everything else is gone.
The accompanying app probably still work but further then that I have no clue. I emailed them a couple of times but got no response.
Jim Manton here might have more insight since he still uses the system.
I have a Notio but now also own a Aerosensor since a few weeks as we were one of the early adopters. I have had some small start up things, like my Garmin took the BLT signal from the speed sensor instead of Ant+ that the sensor needs. You have to actually pair that one speedsensor twice and the second time Garmin picks the Ant+ signal, you can delete the found BLT signal and now it works like a charm.
And the people over at Aerosensor are very responsive and helpful.
Jeroen
I have a Notio but now also own a Aerosensor since a few weeks as we were one of the early adopters. I have had some small start up things, like my Garmin took the BLT signal from the speed sensor instead of Ant+ that the sensor needs. You have to actually pair that one speedsensor twice and the second time Garmin picks the Ant+ signal, you can delete the found BLT signal and now it works like a charm.
And the people over at Aerosensor are very responsive and helpful.
Jeroen
I just ordered one of these Aerosensors. Perhaps we could take this to Aerosensor for dummy thread, but anyway . . . are you just using the Garmin speed sensor that wraps around a hub?
Thanks for recommending our system! More than happy to answer any questions here, or on another thread.
No independent reviews yet, but we have a few outlets lined up to review in the coming weeks.
There is a nice video with Ronan McLaughlin who I did some testing with a year ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNoCJjEGPQ
(apologies - wrong link uploaded before!)
On the speed sensor we recommend a magnet based ANT+ speed sensor as it gives a much better resolution of instantaneous speed, which is a essential for high quality results. Likewise you need a “decent” power meter. Single sided power meters won’t give great results since you lose so much information.
Jeroen, I did not know that Kelly had died (owner of AeroLab). I met him a few times and go on with him well. He was quite a force of nature. Very sad.
I have a Notio but now also own a Aerosensor since a few weeks as we were one of the early adopters. I have had some small start up things, like my Garmin took the BLT signal from the speed sensor instead of Ant+ that the sensor needs. You have to actually pair that one speedsensor twice and the second time Garmin picks the Ant+ signal, you can delete the found BLT signal and now it works like a charm.
And the people over at Aerosensor are very responsive and helpful.
Jeroen
I just ordered one of these Aerosensors. Perhaps we could take this to Aerosensor for dummy thread, but anyway . . . are you just using the Garmin speed sensor that wraps around a hub?
No, the hub based speed sensors are not accurate enough in how they transmit data.
It needs to be Ant+ and it took me a little while to figure out, with help from Barney at Aerosensor, that the Garmin Edge auto select BTLE signal and that doesn’t work with the Aerosensor.
So, you need to install the speed sensor twice, first Garmin will see it as the BTLE and the second time you pair it again and then it finds it as the Ant+ device.
After that you just delete the ‘first’ found sensor with BTLE and it keeps the Ant+ sensor in the system which connects together with the PM to the Aerosensor.
Jeroen
I have a few technical questions if you don’t mind. Is it possible to export the raw data from the sensor somehow? E.g. Air speed, yaw angle, temperature, pressure, etc. And what is the sampling rate for the different sensors?
No problem.
The data is recorded to a fit file at 1Hz. To keep things simple this is just offloaded from your Garmin in the usual way. The device itself doesn’t store any data.
Here are the channels recorded in the FIT file record data in our CIQ app (includes the “Aerobody” body position sensor data).
Wind yaw angle, in degrees
Wind speed, in kph
Barometric pressure
Air density
Rider power as used by Aerosesnor
Power expended through aerodynamic drag
Power expended through road slope
Power expended through rolling resistance
Head height from aerobody, in cm
Chest height from aerobody, in cm
30 second (or as set in ACS CIQ app) rolling average CdA
Cumulative average CdA over lap
Slope can be backed out from barometric pressure and air density (i.e. change in elevation from one datapoint to the next is just
delta elevation = - airdensity x gravity x change in barometric pressure
negative because as you rise the pressure falls.
You can then get grade by dividing by change in distance.
Hope that answers your question!
On the speed sensor we recommend a magnet based ANT+ speed sensor as it gives a much better resolution of instantaneous speed, which is a essential for high quality results.
Is there a particular model you recommend or know works well? Or any magnet based one will be fine?
There have been lots announced, but very few released. The Notio is out and relatively inexpensive at $599. The AeroLab sensor used by ERO seems to work well, but I don’t know if they are available to the general public (I think it is a subscription service) and the software and training seems to have been in the “coming soon†category for some time. Aerosensor is the newest and they start limited sales tomorrow. You might wait and see if someone like DC Rainmaker has a review
That owner of Aerolab died very unexpectedly last year, I think it was August last year, and since then the whole website looks like nothing happens there anymore. Just the support page with manuals etc is live.
Everything else is gone.
The accompanying app probably still work but further then that I have no clue. I emailed them a couple of times but got no response.
Jim Manton here might have more insight since he still uses the system.
I have a Notio but now also own a Aerosensor since a few weeks as we were one of the early adopters. I have had some small start up things, like my Garmin took the BLT signal from the speed sensor instead of Ant+ that the sensor needs. You have to actually pair that one speedsensor twice and the second time Garmin picks the Ant+ signal, you can delete the found BLT signal and now it works like a charm.
And the people over at Aerosensor are very responsive and helpful.
Jeroen
Hey Jeroen,
I checked the aerolab email accounts that I receive from (info@aerolab as well as my own personal one). I did not see any emails from you. Perhaps there was a server or spam filter that did not allow it to pass through. At AeroLab Web development is on hold, new feature releases are on hold, but the product still works fantastically well (and has for the last 2+ years), people are still buying sensors. In fact, recently all of our stock was purchased by one user. So we are trying to re-stock while making hardware + software upgrades and upgrades to the iOS application.
Yes, our CEO passed away last year. It was a devastating time for family, friends, the company, everyone around us. I am trying to keep AeroLab going as best as I can to keep the legacy alive. Several contract engineers (close friends) are supporting in the background.
Chris
Any sensor is fine, honestly. I like the Sigma Sport one, although it is increasingly hard to get hold of.
Garmin or Wahoo are also very good.
While I don’t have a recommendation I would say make sure you have your protocol down, your decision tree solidified and also be flexible enough that if you are 100% confident in something to go with that.
I’ve tested ~40-50 times outside and rarely does it go perfectly. Knowing what to make a decision on and understanding why you would make that decision is important.
It’s one thing to go out and do some A/B runs, it’s another thing to go out and do some A/B runs and be confident that you’ve gotten good data and repeatable data.
Hope that helps
There have been lots announced, but very few released. The Notio is out and relatively inexpensive at $599. The AeroLab sensor used by ERO seems to work well, but I don’t know if they are available to the general public (I think it is a subscription service) and the software and training seems to have been in the “coming soon†category for some time. Aerosensor is the newest and they start limited sales tomorrow. You might wait and see if someone like DC Rainmaker has a review
That owner of Aerolab died very unexpectedly last year, I think it was August last year, and since then the whole website looks like nothing happens there anymore. Just the support page with manuals etc is live.
Everything else is gone.
The accompanying app probably still work but further then that I have no clue. I emailed them a couple of times but got no response.
Jim Manton here might have more insight since he still uses the system.
I have a Notio but now also own a Aerosensor since a few weeks as we were one of the early adopters. I have had some small start up things, like my Garmin took the BLT signal from the speed sensor instead of Ant+ that the sensor needs. You have to actually pair that one speedsensor twice and the second time Garmin picks the Ant+ signal, you can delete the found BLT signal and now it works like a charm.
And the people over at Aerosensor are very responsive and helpful.
Jeroen
Hey Jeroen,
I checked the aerolab email accounts that I receive from (info@aerolab as well as my own personal one). I did not see any emails from you. Perhaps there was a server or spam filter that did not allow it to pass through. At AeroLab Web development is on hold, new feature releases are on hold, but the product still works fantastically well (and has for the last 2+ years), people are still buying sensors. In fact, recently all of our stock was purchased by one user. So we are trying to re-stock while making hardware + software upgrades and upgrades to the iOS application.
Yes, our CEO passed away last year. It was a devastating time for family, friends, the company, everyone around us. I am trying to keep AeroLab going as best as I can to keep the legacy alive. Several contract engineers (close friends) are supporting in the background.
Chris
Hi Chris,
Thanks for chiming in.
Good to hear that you guys are still in ‘business’ after what must have been indeed a very difficult time for you all.
My emails were send late last year/early this year, I can’t recall the exact month, I have to look as well.
Anyway, I wanted to get one but couldn’t find anything on the webpage anymore.
But still good to hear that you are doing fine in the background and trying to make things work as good as possible.
Best,
Jeroen
Thanks for the reply - that did answer my question.
I’m so sorry for your loss Chris. Must have been a huge shock. I met you both at the ANT symposium a few years ago, if you remember.
Glad to hear you are keeping it going.
Do you know if Notio are still in business? They do not answer my emails so I wonder if they stopped.
Do you know if Notio are still in business? They do not answer my emails so I wonder if they stopped.
I’ve heard rumors that they are working to update their sensor to make it more accurate/better. Not sure the validity of those though