Trump administration wants more babies, and is floating the idea of a $5000 payout to mothers for a new baby, and a “Motherhood Medal” for women with 6+ children.
What about the fathers? Shouldn’t men who father 6+ children get a medal too? How much should we pay new fathers? Let’s be fair about this.
Lebensborn…great Eyeroll emoji
The average cost of having a baby in the US, including pregnancy, delivery, and postpartum care, is approximately $18,865. However, this can vary widely depending on factors like insurance coverage, location, and type of birth. Out-of-pocket costs, even with insurance, can range from a few hundred dollars to several thousand dollars.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
The national average for those with employer-sponsored insurance is $18,865.
The average out-of-pocket expenses for both the mother and baby’s hospital stays are around $2,854.
Factors Influencing Cost:
Insurance: The amount of insurance coverage, including deductible and co-pays, significantly impacts the cost.
Type of Birth: C-sections are more expensive than vaginal deliveries, costing an estimated 77% more.
Location: The cost of childbirth can vary significantly between states and even within states.
Complications: If complications arise during pregnancy or delivery, costs can increase.
Hospital Stay: The length of stay in the hospital can also affect the overall cost.
Cost Ranges:
Without insurance, a hospital birth can cost between $15,000 and $20,000. With insurance, the average out-of-pocket cost of a hospital birth is about $4,500, but this can vary greatly.
A vaginal birth with no complications in Mississippi can cost around $6,500, while in California, it can cost over $16,500
And this is before you have purchased even a box of diapers or a striker or a car seat.
The average cost of having a baby in the US, including pregnancy, delivery, and postpartum care, is approximately $18,865. However, this can vary widely depending on factors like insurance coverage, location, and type of birth. Out-of-pocket costs, even with insurance, can range from a few hundred dollars to several thousand dollars.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
The national average for those with employer-sponsored insurance is $18,865.
The average out-of-pocket expenses for both the mother and baby’s hospital stays are around $2,854.
Factors Influencing Cost:
Insurance: The amount of insurance coverage, including deductible and co-pays, significantly impacts the cost.
Type of Birth: C-sections are more expensive than vaginal deliveries, costing an estimated 77% more.
Location: The cost of childbirth can vary significantly between states and even within states.
Complications: If complications arise during pregnancy or delivery, costs can increase.
Hospital Stay: The length of stay in the hospital can also affect the overall cost.
Cost Ranges:
Without insurance, a hospital birth can cost between $15,000 and $20,000. With insurance, the average out-of-pocket cost of a hospital birth is about $4,500, but this can vary greatly.
A vaginal birth with no complications in Mississippi can cost around $6,500, while in California, it can cost over $16,500
Giving women prizes for being good breeders is obviously gross.
There are nevertheless a bunch of interesting questions out there about declining birth rates, fertility, social security, national security and what if anything we can and should do about any of them.
Have republicans spent decades screaming that certain people were having more babies to get more money from the government and that doing that was wrong?
Am I going not remembering correctly?
This is the definition of participation trophy.
You joke but I’m honestly shocked that link isn’t being made.
China’s one of many country’s whose population has likely peaked and is now in an irreversible decline:
https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2024/chinas-population-decline-getting-close-irreversible
Sharing a border with a continent with a comparatively young population that’s still growing (although the rate is sowing), is a heck of a long-term asset for the US , if we were prepared to think strategically.
Wondering if that applies to single mothers on public assistance.
I can see Stephen Miller’s eye twitching now.
They want more babies but god forbid we make healthcare and childcare more affordable.
As Windy points out, this is a Nazi 101. Children of the poor, at least the racially pure, will be placed with “better” families. The non-white and non-Christian need not apply.
Have they never heard of the Child Tax Credit?
I didn’t quite make that jump
Here we have federal incentives for parents depending on how much you earn and how many kids you have.
We just had a kid last year and are getting $577/mth for our two. That is inflated because last year my wife was on maternity leave, so our family income was relatively low. I think next year it’ll be $300-350ish. I think this stops when the kids are 16.
Is that gross?
The fucking door was opened. Walked through. Jumping is not required.
Gross? Maybe not. But why? And then what do you do about people who are physically unable to have children? Where is their “incentive”?
Adoption
Exactly. Only difference is Trump likes the idea of awarding medals.
Heard about this recently on This American Life
This is where I can comfortably say this forum’s TDS is showing. Programs like this exist in many other countries, ours was started by a center left government. Nobody said anything about it when it came out, in fact it was celebrated.
Just take the damn win.
Why? Because raising kids is insanely expensive, and because having kids is kind of important, unless you want to end up like South Korea or China, with cratering populations. We give financial incentives for all types of behavior - why not this one? The alternative is to maintain your population by immigration, which has many of its own costs and issues associated with it.
If you don’t want or don’t have children - great, you won’t be burdened by the cost of several hundred thousand dollars it costs to raise one, and won’t need the extra $5k to offset some of that.
