A friend gave me 2 bottles of ASEA water and said its great for athletes and you will see some small improvements in your times if you use it regularily. I’d never even heard of it and did a little google work on it and have read mixed reviews. One thing that really stood out is that Rich Roll has researched it extensively including visiting the HQ in utah and he believes it helps in recovery and energy levels. Anyone else any thoughts? Or tried it? Its basically distilled water with sodium and chloride added.
It is snake oil. The theory behind it makes sense, but the stuff itself is bullshit.
I’m a huge fan of Rich Roll, who I believe is sponsored by Asea. I have never found him a person that would recommend something that is bullshit, but I have a hard time believing this stuff.
“HQ in utah”
And there is your bullshit tip off. Utah is ground zero for multi level marketing bullshit.
I really feel depressed when I realize that such a large chunk of our population is so scientifically illiterate that they believe this pseudo-scientific dribble sufficiently to make them into viable businesses. This product is no different than the “ion-balance bracelets”, the “Oxygen Enriched” water, energy channeling crystals or 19th C. snake oil.
These products use scientific terms & language to suggest and imply some benefit: i.e. * “*Moreover, the contents of Asea water has been tested by third-party sources and they have confirmed that Asea contains the exact same molecules as found in each of our cells. *” *(ASEA website)
While this is technically true of ASEA water, it is also true of the gutter water in Calcutta. Maybe I can bottle that and sell it to the gullible?
I laughed when my friend gave it to me but after stumbling on Rich Rolls long write up about how skeptical he was and after using it he noticed some obvious changes , it really made me wonder. If you know anything about Rich, he’s offered products all the time from company’s that want to sponsor him but he’s extremely anal about what he puts into his body! This really made me think, I might try the 2 bottles and see for myself, it can’t hurt anything:)
I call BS. I went to their web site. It is a beautifully created with all sorts of science terms being applied in new and creative ways. Redox Signaling molecules… That does sound sciency! (It even has a Wiki entry on it so it must be true)
So what exactly are there Redox Signaling Molecules that Asea claims to have in their water? Are they complex organic molecules? Please give me a description: molecular weight. composition, etc. I want to know what I’m ingesting - is it some reactive organic chemical? Gasoline, formaldehyde and PCB are also reactive organic chemicals… also they are mutagens, carcinogens and teratogens like many complex organic molecules…
And what is the metabolic process that gets these "RSM"s to the mitochondria after we drink them? They pass through the gastro-intestinal system and are distributed to the right cells? How?
If there was ANY truth behind this bio-chemical ASEA process they would be seeking FDA approval and either selling / licensing it to one of the big pharma companies for $Billions or simply going into production themselves. As it stands they hide behind a ‘health supplement’ label. This is a way to sell unregulated substances and to make some suggestions on possible health ‘benefits’ with out the need to actually have proof of their effectiveness (i.e. peer reviewed, double blind studies).
As for Rich Roll, well he is an incredible athlete… but 1.) he’s sponsored (paid) by these guys 2.) he’s no bio-chemist
I’m pro business and for making money but I get upset when someone takes advantage of people’s desire to be healthy and fleeces them.
Being in med school we’ve gone through this in depth through different chemistry and biology classes:
A Redox in molecular equations simply means that specific atoms are losing electrons (oxidation) while others gain electrons (reduction) through the reaction. This literally would not have any profound impact on performance what-so-ever.
Stop buying into this pseudo-science stuff. It is a psychological marketing scheme that has been around for decades
Edit* You asked about how this effects the mitochondria. The website is simply eluding that your body will process ATP (adenosine triphosphate) faster. This is what all living cells need for energy.
Sorry I don’t have time to answer those questions more specifically.
There seem to be some misunderstandings about ASEA on this page. I was introduced to ASEA 4 months ago by someone who is a leader in health in the UK and internationally and who has taught me about natural supplements of different kinds and cellular healing. I have used various supplements on myself and clients for several years and generally have a good sense of what they do. Please note, I am not here to sell ASEA. There are no links within this thread to a company site. My intention is purely to clarify the facts about what ASEA is and does.
- ASEA’s ingredients are salt water and redox signaling molecules as proven by third party testing. 15 kinds of RSMs are in ASEA although the specific composition is not made public. It was thought impossible that these molecules would be stabilised ( previously they just returned to the salt water state). It has taken 16 years of foundational research to get to this point and the atomic physicist Gary Samuelson took 3 years to stabilise the molecules. This is why ASEA is groundbreaking.
- If you look on Pubmed for info about RSMs , you will see the crucial role they play in health. It is a key role as we would die without these molecules within minutes and after the age of 12 , their numbers begin decreasing. They exist in every cell and they repair and replace cells and also protect them. If you spray ASEA on a burn, watch how it heals much quicker than usual.
- Athletes are using ASEA because it improves endurance and recovery as prelim VT tests have shown. Many elite athletes are now using ASEA because it is helping them in competition and boosting energy levels. Rich Roll is one of those athletes as is Olympian Sinjin Smith. Gold medallist Eric Heiden and BMC team doctor Max Testa are now doing a clinical trial witn ASEA with results hopefully out soon.
- The ASEA founders are promoting ASEA because they know the world desperately needs it and because it works on a cellular level it can benefit everybody. With reference to your comment about the FDA, the founders were in fact offered a multi million dollar deal by a top drug company for the patent, but they then discovered that the company was going to buy the patent and shelve it. In other words, the public would not get the product. They also felt that as people automatically wanted to share ASEA because it was changing their health, that they could spread the wealth through networking it. Even though network marketing was a new area for them, they did not want it in the hands of a drug company.
If you have a high level of mistrust with MLM companies, then nothing will convince you otherwise. I could be talking rubbish. Ultimately, you will only know whether ASEA works by actually taking it for several months yourself. 2 bottles will not necessarily give you an indication of results. Sometimes, people’s energy levels improve immediately but for others it can take 6 months as stagnant energy inside the cells is cleared and cells are replaced. If you do take ASEA, it’s worth monitoring not just the major illness/ area you wish to track. Often ASEA works at more subtle levels as well so be aware of all changes that occur after taking it.
Wow, seallover really knows what he’s talking bout. 19 years of research and involvement of an atomic physicist! Sign me up!
Wow. This post has everything!
- ASEA’s ingredients are salt water and redox signaling molecules as proven by third party testing. 15 kinds of RSMs are in ASEA although the specific composition is not made public
OK- can we see the testing? What did this “testing” consist of - what was the significance of the testing - did they just show what the water contained, or actual efficacy of the water in terms of your claims?
It was thought impossible that these molecules would be stabilised ( previously they just returned to the salt water state). It has taken 16 years of foundational research to get to this point and the atomic physicist Gary Samuelson took 3 years to stabilise the molecules. This is why ASEA is groundbreaking.
The “salt water state?” What does that even mean? It really helps your scientific credibility to not make up phrases. Also, why would an atomic physicist have anything to do with this? You’d want a chemist, specifically a synthetic chemist, to do this work.
- If you look on Pubmed for info about RSMs , you will see the crucial role they play in health. It is a key role as we would die without these molecules within minutes and after the age of 12 , their numbers begin decreasing. They exist in every cell and they repair and replace cells and also protect them. If you spray ASEA on a burn, watch how it heals much quicker than usual.
OK - just because you ingest something doesn’t mean that it gets absorbed or incorporated. Why would your proprietary compound not simply pass right through or get nuked by first pass metabolism?
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Athletes are using ASEA because it improves endurance and recovery as prelim VT tests have shown. Many elite athletes are now using ASEA because it is helping them in competition and boosting energy levels. Rich Roll is one of those athletes as is Olympian Sinjin Smith. Gold medallist Eric Heiden and BMC team doctor Max Testa are now doing a clinical trial witn ASEA with results hopefully out soon.
Can we see these tests? Also, everyone understands that pro endorsements are not equivalent to peer-reviewed research, and they never have been. Clinical trial? I couldn’t find anything on clinicaltrials.gov, but perhaps it’s not registered. -
The ASEA founders are promoting ASEA because they know the world desperately needs it and because it works on a cellular level it can benefit everybody. With reference to your comment about the FDA, the founders were in fact offered a multi million dollar deal by a top drug company for the patent, but they then discovered that the company was going to buy the patent and shelve it. In other words, the public would not get the product. They also felt that as people automatically wanted to share ASEA because it was changing their health, that they could spread the wealth through networking it. Even though network marketing was a new area for them, they did not want it in the hands of a drug company.
Oh, okay. You are the good guys! Going against big, bad pharma. Evil pharmaceutical companies that just want your money and so they hide all of the miracle cures so that they can ensure they never make it to market!
Using conspiracy theories to sell your snake oil? I shouldn’t have expected better.
If you have a high level of mistrust with MLM companies, then nothing will convince you otherwise. I could be talking rubbish. Ultimately, you will only know whether ASEA works by actually taking it for several months yourself. 2 bottles will not necessarily give you an indication of results. Sometimes, people’s energy levels improve immediately but for others it can take 6 months as stagnant energy inside the cells is cleared and cells are replaced. If you do take ASEA, it’s worth monitoring not just the major illness/ area you wish to track. Often ASEA works at more subtle levels as well so be aware of all changes that occur after taking it.
Wrong. Data will convince me. But since there are no data, I am convinced you’re talking rubbish (besides the fact that you’re making up scientific terms in an attempt to sound intelligent).
Wait, you say the only way to be sure is to buy a ton and use it!? Count me in! That *definitely *doesn’t sound like BS.
Also: Stagnant energy? What the hell does that mean?
Let’s see. Sign up for the forum and your first post is defense of ASEA. Not at all fishy? I too have read the marketing and pages of research and have to say its well packaged, however I can’t get past the fact that it is multi-level marketing, based in Utah, and the only review praising it as the life water to end all searches for the fountain of youth comes from a sponsired athlete. The Plecebo effect works like nothing else does in about 20% of people, proving the power of the brain, and it may very likely be what RR is experiencing. Would love to see before and after bloodwork that shows improvement in markers of inflammation etc… but a controlled cloinical environment is necessary to account for confounding variables of diet, supplementation etc. that many folks would also be doing that would contribute to positive results.
Also, very annoying, is a person I know who is a representitive. Can’t spend 15 minutes around her without her going into a canned speach directly off the web site to try to sell me on the magic of the elixer of the Gods. I actually see her now and hide.
I’m sure that if I took the time I could could write up an equally scientific sounding description of urine that I caught in a bottle after it had run down a Carbon Fiber downtube. Of course I would have to call it something else.
What a bunch of crap / BS. Almost as bad as TV Preachers for fleecing people out of their money.
I don’t care who is sponsoring it. you see many known athletes walking around with these stupid ion-balance bracelets. If you want to see performance improvement just train smart and stop spending money on this crap… just my 2 cents.
horseshit
There seem to be some misunderstandings about ASEA on this page. I was introduced to ASEA 4 months ago by someone who is a leader in health in the UK and internationally and who has taught me about natural supplements of different kinds and cellular healing. I have used various supplements on myself and clients for several years and generally have a good sense of what they do. Please note, I am not here to sell ASEA. There are no links within this thread to a company site. My intention is purely to clarify the facts about what ASEA is and does.
- ASEA’s ingredients are salt water and redox signaling molecules as proven by third party testing. 15 kinds of RSMs are in ASEA although the specific composition is not made public. It was thought impossible that these molecules would be stabilised ( previously they just returned to the salt water state). It has taken 16 years of foundational research to get to this point and the atomic physicist Gary Samuelson took 3 years to stabilise the molecules. This is why ASEA is groundbreaking.
- If you look on Pubmed for info about RSMs , you will see the crucial role they play in health. It is a key role as we would die without these molecules within minutes and after the age of 12 , their numbers begin decreasing. They exist in every cell and they repair and replace cells and also protect them. If you spray ASEA on a burn, watch how it heals much quicker than usual.
- Athletes are using ASEA because it improves endurance and recovery as prelim VT tests have shown. Many elite athletes are now using ASEA because it is helping them in competition and boosting energy levels. Rich Roll is one of those athletes as is Olympian Sinjin Smith. Gold medallist Eric Heiden and BMC team doctor Max Testa are now doing a clinical trial witn ASEA with results hopefully out soon.
- The ASEA founders are promoting ASEA because they know the world desperately needs it and because it works on a cellular level it can benefit everybody. With reference to your comment about the FDA, the founders were in fact offered a multi million dollar deal by a top drug company for the patent, but they then discovered that the company was going to buy the patent and shelve it. In other words, the public would not get the product. They also felt that as people automatically wanted to share ASEA because it was changing their health, that they could spread the wealth through networking it. Even though network marketing was a new area for them, they did not want it in the hands of a drug company.
If you have a high level of mistrust with MLM companies, then nothing will convince you otherwise. I could be talking rubbish. Ultimately, you will only know whether ASEA works by actually taking it for several months yourself. 2 bottles will not necessarily give you an indication of results. Sometimes, people’s energy levels improve immediately but for others it can take 6 months as stagnant energy inside the cells is cleared and cells are replaced. If you do take ASEA, it’s worth monitoring not just the major illness/ area you wish to track. Often ASEA works at more subtle levels as well so be aware of all changes that occur after taking it.
First all, Seal is definitely over, even Heidi got rid of him!
second: I’m very interested in stagnant energy. Is it like when I don’t empty my lawnmower before winter and the gas turns to lacquer
And peroxide is a RSM, could I just drink that instead? I’m also very interested how these RSM manage to make it to the muscle w/o being reduced to non-active species on their way, I mean glutathione and other free thiols are pretty abundant in the circulation?
***stagnant energy inside the cells ***
That’s a hoot.
-Scott
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I’m sorry, but there are 14,900,000 results on the Google for ‘stagnant energy’… if the Google ranks it, it must be true…
Also, why would an atomic physicist have anything to do with this? You’d want a chemist, specifically a synthetic chemist, to do this work.
You actually want a magician to do this work.** **
Food grade hydrogen peroxide can be used at a certain dosage with distilled water for detoxing and I have used it on several occasions but it is not stable as ASEA is.
Further clinical trials are being done with results due in a couple of months.
http://myaseaonline.info/asea.net/USEnglish/ASEA_Antioxidant_Efficiency_US_ENG.pdf
http://myaseaonline.info/asea.net/USEnglish/WhitePaperVTUSENG.pdf
http://myaseaonline.info/asea.net/USEnglish/WhitePaperBioactivityUS_ENG.pdf
http://myaseaonline.info/asea.net/USEnglish/Reactive_Molecules_Verification_US_ENG.pdf
http://myaseaonline.info/asea.net/USEnglish/ASEA_Safety_Studies_for_Website.pdf
http://test.askdrgary.com/Molecules.aspx - the website of the researcher who stabilised the RSMs.