I’m considering an Argon 18 E-114 for my first tri specific bike. I know they are fairly new and I have read some of the threads on them here. Other than the debate about aerodynamics that I don’t want to rehash, what should I know before getting this bike? What are the pros and cons? What is the difference between the E-114 and the E-112 other than the integrated front end? How does the E-114 and E-112 compare to the P3C or P2C? How much does a E-114 weigh compared to a P3C?
I have an E-114 and I just sold my P3C. I think they’re both incredible bikes and you’re not going to be disappointed with either one.
The E-114 is the stiffest bike i’ve ever ridden. I get more compliments in one day regarding the looks of my E-114 than all the compliments put together for my P3C.
The E-114 is noticeably heavier than my P3C, but then again I do have the FSA Neo Pro on my 114 which is 350g heavier than my crankset on my P3C.
Despite being heavier, my E-114 climbs better than the P3C.
I’m very happy with my E-114 and do not regret my decision to sell my P3C. Oh, I forgot to mention that I no longer have a problem finding my bike in transition!
Weight of an E-112 frame (i doubt its much different than the E-114) - 1760 grams
The P3C in similiar size - 1250 grams.
So with weight and aerodynamics aside i guess the E-114 is better?
The argons do look pretty cool though. You will get lots of compliments in transistion gauranteed. On the race course though…?
-Adam
Weight of an E-112 frame (i doubt its much different than the E-114) - 1760 grams
The E-114 is slightly heavier than the E-112. I can’t remember the reason but it is heaver. Not much.
i don’t have one, but the manufacturer posted here. one thing to be aware of: there is no fore-aft stem adjustability. apparently the elbow pads can be adjusted, but the base bar cannot.
Since the E-114 comes with aerobars, anyone know the weight difference between the P3c with aerobars and the E-114?
Those are great looking frames, but jeez they’re heavy. I think a frame in my size would be over 2kg, which is mountain bike heavy. I imagine the 114 would be heavier than the 112 because of the integrated fork setup; that huge chunk of aluminum on top of the integrated fork doesn’t look real light.
If I were going to get one, I’d get a 112, because the front end is more adjustable and I wouldn’t want to be locked in to Argon’s aerobars.
I have a neighbor who got the E114 last night. Its beautiful.
Well built with nice lines. Even the tt bars that came with it is nice.
He used to ride an Argon Mercury.
I noticed that the wheelbase of his 114 (small) same size with is Mercury is different.
Even the top tube length is 3cm longer than declared on the web site.
That is due to the fork/stem.
Since they don’t have a stem, the headtube seems to be up front farther to compensate for the absence of a stem.
So his 52.5 top tube on the small Mercury is like 54,5cm.
When you sit on the bike, the front wheel seems to be so far in front, with the hub all the way out.
Not sure if my obsrevations are correct.
Also owners might want to check on the front brake cable guide, very likely to damage the down tube when turned right hard.
It was also heavy.
Built up with Dura 10 & Zipp 404’s, Keo pedals…it weighed a hair below 21pds! Thats my hardtail mtb!
We weighed my same size, samespec, same wheels Cervelo P3c, it was 17.80.
3pds is quite alot.
But it was beautiful. Will see how it rides tomorrow.
I wonder how the E112 will weigh built the same.
nearly 3lbs is quite a bit…so am wondering what could have possibly tipped the scales :
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more carbon sheets & resin? the P3C does sounds thinly hollow when tapped on the frame (downtube, chainstays). A thumb-index finger squeeze test also has more softness in these areas (not as bad as BMC’s pro machine). These are just my own observations as my Pina Prince Carbon feels solid in these aspects yet a weight weenie frame.
Dunno how the E114 feels, but will be shocking if hollow-wy as well. -
heavier headset (chunky) n aerobars;
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heavier seat post
please keep us updated how it rides, esp the hill climbing aspect where its was mentioned to be good (how’s that possible if it weighs 21lbs).
I’m hoping my lbs gets mine ready this weekend so i can compare it to my current P3SL (dura 10s, Reynolds SDV66, Easton Attack).
regards
1st bike in at Kona last year, it can go fast.
The front end can actually be switched out for a regular front end if bar position and/or fork is a problem.
The power transfer of both bikes is CLEAN and thats really my main concern over any weight issues.
If I could afford it…I would.
I have a 112 and I absolutely love it! I’ve had it for about 4 weeks now and just raced yesterday for the first time on it. It can go fast!
Coming from a B2, I was looking for something a little more durable. I had some frame issues with the B2 that I don’t suspect having with this one. This 112 is a solid bike. The power you put to the crank is the power to the ground.
The bike may be a bit heavier than some, but really…most of us can shave a few grams off ourselves. My bike is a size large built with full DA, Easton Attack TT’s, Zipp 808’s, and a carbon Xlab wing (with cages) weighed in at 19.7lbs. I’m working on a pic for the bike pjorn thread.
Patrick
The front end can actually be switched out for a regular front end if bar position and/or fork is a problem.
Does this mean I could also upgrade a 112 with the 114’s front end if ever?
Not sure how it is that the bike weighed that much. I have pics to prove that a medium E114 without the steertube or extensions cut built with the following weighed just a hair over 18lbs:
Dura-ace
FSA SLK crank set
Hed Jet 50 wheels
There is no way that the weight on that small was that high with Zipp 404’s unless you had two full water bottles on the bike.
eventually got a Small-sized fixed up… 7.96kg or 17.51lbs
Shimano 7800 (crank 175 standard)
Look Carbon Keo
Reynolds SDV66T (Challenge tyres, campy record 10spd cassette)
Selle SanMarco Aspide Tri saddle
looking to add on…Xlab carbonwing, speedometer & downtube bottle cage
Initial ride feedback : more twitchy steering compared to other normal bikes due to its integrated headset, which means very minimal stem length. The bike has inclination to go straight and at speed…most comfortable at 38-42km/h. You don’t want to take tight corners due to the radius limitation of the integrated headset. Climbs surprising well for a TT bike, I would rate it 88% to my pina prince carbon (same wheelset used), perhaps due to its stiffness & oversized BB area.