Anyone tried this Achilles/Plantar treatment?

Extracorporeal Shock Wave Therapy** ***For Plantar Fasciitis and *Achilles Tendonosis

I’ve been doing a lot of reading about Achilles tendonosis. Doesn’t seem like there’s a cure, but there are a lot of things that help your body heal the tendon- with various success rates… or not. The better ones seem to involve increasing blood flow. I read a pub med study report on this shock therapy that seemed pretty good, and I found a local doc that does it. going in for a consult tomorrow. It’s not cheap.

Haven’t run in over 4 months, and my achilles aren’t any better. As far as I can tell- no healing whatsoever and I’ve tried all the standard therapies, plus ART, Graston, massage, acupuncture- along with regular rolling and eccentric heel drops. Nothing is helping so far. Need to get back to running. Miss it terribly.

I was in a similar situation in the fall of '10. What finally worked for me was running short and slow. And I mean short and slow.

Began w/ 1/2 mile @ 15 min / mile (yes, that is 4 mph). Added on 1/10th every so often. Once I got to 2 miles, I raised my “mileage” 1/4 mile per week. Gradually increased pace as well.

My rule of thumb was “as long as my Achilles is no sorer than normal tomorrow, i’ll keep running.”. Eventually got up to 8 miles @ 8’/ mile…but then ITBS kicked in.

Basically, I started from scratch and rebuilt from the ground up.

Was in the same boat.

Took 2 years off as the pain never subsided.

In the end, I was considering the blood plasma injection shots to the tendon but it got better a few months ago and back at it.

thanks. I’ve been considering that. I kept my aerobic base up with cycling this summer, but since I was getting no healing (and it even hurts to walk more than a mile or two), I stopped cycling a couple weeks ago, thinking that it was irritating the achilles too much. Normally I’m a proponent of active recovery.

If I’ve learned anything- it’s that there is no one solution to achilles issues. Each person needs to feel their way through their own injury and recovery. I really really want to do what you did. I just keep thinking that if I wait another week or two, it will feel better and I’ll be able to start loading it again.

I’m impressed with your ability to run 1/2 mi at 15min/mi pace. that takes real gumption. don’t know if I can do that.

Question: when you were running those short/slow runs. did your achilles hurt? I’m still limping every morning. the night splint makes it feel a little better in the morning, but it’s still pretty sore and tender. midpoint tendonosis, a few cm above the heel.

I had some soreness when I was doing the slow, short runs…but my guide point was that as long as it was no more sore than a day I hadn’t run, I was OK.

I was also working on moving to a mid-foot strike and using “natural motion” shoes…first in an old pair of Nike Free and then Newtons.

I know that last point is counter-intuitive to what most people report with natural motion shows (added stress on calves / Achilles)…but it seemed to work for me.

Agreed 100% that there is no universal answer…you gotta find something that works for you.

You may also want to try running in compression socks. That seemed to help support my calves as well. I know you’ll end up looking like “that guy”, but at least you will be running…

midpoint tendonosis, a few cm above the heel.

theoretically this is the kind of achilles injury the eccentric drops should help with… but if you’ve been doing them all summer (3x15 straight-leg, 3x15 bent at knee, twice a day for 12 weeks, add weights in backpack as possible, is the usual protocol) then I guess not…

here’s my reading list:
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/achilles-tendinitis.html
has an extended set of exercises based on the eccentric work.

http://sweatscience.runnersworld.com/2012/07/rebooting-platelet-rich-plasma-and-minimalist-running/
makes the point that when you’ve tried everything, sometimes you just have to try anything… the shockwave sounds worth a try at this point.

From the redoubtable Uta Pippig’s site,
http://www.takethemagicstep.com/coaching/athletes/health-management/managing-achilles-tendon-injuries/
implicates the Flexor digitorum longus muscle, and suggests strengthening that.

I have insertional achilles tendinitis, since 2008, crippled since early 2011, still working on it… stopped running for 6 months doing the eccentric work, running again but can’t run more than 2-3 times a week yet, or any kind of speed work.

theoretically this is the kind of achilles injury the eccentric drops should help with… but if you’ve been doing them all summer (3x15 straight-leg, 3x15 bent at knee, twice a day for 12 weeks, add weights in backpack as possible, is the usual protocol) then I guess not…

Admittedly, I have not done the 3x15 straight/bent 2x a day. Some days, yes, but if my achilles hurt during the eccentric drops, I would back off, or wouldn’t do them at all until the tendon felt good enough. So, I’ve tried going with and without the drops. Many days it hurts just to walk and I’ve been limping and walking very gingerly. So, I haven’t done a full 3 months of twice daily. Plus- for the 1st month (before I had read enough articles) I was only doing 2 x 10 once or twice a day, and doing stretch sets for the bent leg (soleus) stuff.

achilles felt better this morning than it has in months. perhaps light at the end of the tunnel? I guess a 3-6mo healing process is not that uncommon. If it stays feeling this good, I will be able to be more consistent with the eccentric drops.

thanks for the reading list. great stuff.
I like this guy’s take on it:
http://runningwritings.blogspot.com/2011/08/injury-series-eccentric-exercise-and.html?showComment=1343919785386#c4150798162626898890

Interesting stuff. I too have had issues on and off for over a year. I’m currently hitting the pool, trx and biking, since I can’t get my running fix.

I go for my second round of acupuncture this evening. The 1st round seemed to help a little - either that or the fact I’ve stopped running.

I think I’ll add these eccentric calf-muscle drops a try. Thanks.

I had confirmed achilles tendinosis in both legs. Tried every therapy imaginable over many years without success. In 2006, I ran across this: http://www.podiatrytoday.com/article/5543. Had Baravarian perform the surgery in the left foot. Took about a year to completely heal (my bad - was so excited to feel no pain for first time in years, I went nuts too soon and hindered recovery by months). In 2010 I had the right foot done by him as well. Healed up sufficiently in about 6 months. Since then, I’ve had no problems, no pain, completely healed and recovered. Prior to 2006 surgery I was at the point where I couldn’t run 10 feet without severe pain. Seems like few people consider this option because it does entail going under the knife, but I sure wish I had done it years ago. Breathed new life into my legs.

My GF had bad PF earlier this year. She didn’t run for about three months and got regular shock treatment. She podium’d at IMNY. I would say it’s worth a shot. PM me with your email and I’ll have her contact you.

OK- saw a doc this afternoon. He walked in and I could tell he was a runner (lean, fit looking, kinda’ geekly looking guy)- always a good thing. He runs about 25mpw and we reminisced about all of our common running injuries- so, at least I knew I was dealing with a doc that had the right perspective.

I gave him my rundown of what was going on and what I had tried.
He did the squeeze test on the achilles and I screamed at the appropriate time with the appropriate fervor.
Then he brought out his sonagram machine, presumably to see if I was pregnant. :wink: Guess he got a good look at both tendons.

So- it looks like I don’t have too much of a bulbous mass of scar tissue on the achilles, and I don’t have a rupture, which is good. So he thought I’d be a very good candidate for the EPAT- Extra-corporeal pulsed-activated therapy that he does. three treatments- once per week, no anesthesia, outpatient- but it’s gonna’ be about $500 or so out of pocket. Claims about an 80% success rate for cases like mine.

Here are the results of one study on it.
http://www.quatromedical.com/static/pdf/Achilles%20Tendinopathy%20study.pdf

The other good news is that he said I should be able to go back to cycling, provided that I keep my cadence up and “don’t get out of the saddle” (ooops- guess that explains why the cycling was hurting). Anyway- when your doc says “don’t get out of the saddle”- and uses standard cycling terminology, I take that as another good sign that he has a clue.

I made an appointment next week for my first EPAT. I believe that I’ll heal on my own… but am willing to try another modality to help my body speed things up. Plus- there are no downsides other than the cost.

Huh…haven’t heard of EPAT. Let me know how it goes. (My left achilles has been acting up the alst coupla weeks so I may check into it at some point)

I’ve been dealing with niggling achilles pain in my L foot, and then my R one too, for the past 6+ mos. After trying the basic stretches and calf lifts and reducing my mileage I started to get hot spots under the ball of my foot, and the achilles pain seemed to worsen. Before starting PT, I was advised to buy toe separators - searched and bought from Amazon - and I felt immediate relief. I literally went from hobbling when I got up from prolonged lying or sitting, to being able to walk normally. Now, after only 3 sessions of PT, where I do the usual course of stretching and strengthening, followed by deep tendon massage, u/s, and electric stim’n, I am starting to see big improvements, but it was the toe separators that initially provided huge relief. I’m sure it’s not the answer for everyone but perhaps if nothing else has worked then $8 toe separators might be worth a try…

So- it looks like I don’t have too much of a bulbous mass of scar tissue on the achilles

So, what does it mean when you have a bulbous mass of scar tissue on the achilles? Because I am struggling with some sore achilles and can feel a lump on my right one?

So, what does it mean when you have a bulbous mass of scar tissue on the achilles? Because I am struggling with some sore achilles and can feel a lump on my right one?

What this doc told me was that when you have a bump of scar tissue there, it’s harder for the EPAT to break it up and get the blood flowing in there. I don’t know how this translates to outcomes, but he made it seem like my injury was a good candidate for his system. Not sure if he was just ‘selling’ or not.

Had PF for a year in 2003. Tried everything, and I mean everything. Did ESWT and 13 weeks later (the recommended recovery) I was fine and haven’t had a twinge of pain since (and done running weeks up to 100 miles). Stretching my calves certainly was a big part of this, but wasn’t the main reason since I did it with the other remedies I tried.

Had PF in my other foot in 2009. Tried everything again (cort shots, stretching, orthotics, I could keep going). Did ESWT and nothing. Didn’t help at all. Did EPAT and nothing. Finally did PRP (platelet rich plasma injections) and at the same time got rid of my orthotics (which my PT did not approve of, but I was desperate) and that worked wonderfully. Been injury free for nearly a year. Again, I believe that stretching my calves really lessened the stress and allowed PRP to work.

Moral. This is a tough injury to get over, and what worked for one person, or even for the same person but at a different time or different foot), might not work again, so keep trying different approaches and don’t give up. And stretch those calves.

Just to add my story to the mix. Went to see the best sports Doc I could find (ex-Olympian too), as my right Achilles was sore. He did some prodding and squeezing and then scanned both Achilles and showed me the print-out. Left: thin and white showing good blood flow; right: thick and black - limited blood flow. Achilles Tendonitis.

I was banned from running, but allowed to cycle and swim, and I had to massage the Achilles everynight (with some ibu. gel) for 10 minutes, plus calf raises every day. He stressed that as the calf raises got easier I should ‘load’ more (e.g. stick a pack on my back) as opposed to doing more reps. Acupuncture was not recommend, as the needles could contribute to a tear.

He then sent me for ESWT, which he performed himself (I was fortunate on the cost as insurance would cover most of it). He mentioned that he’d start at a low level and then raise the level gradually. He gave me the numbers, I think he said he’d start at ‘3’ and then go to a ‘7’ and then on the next treatment he’d start higher and then go to ‘9’ (I only had two treatments, around 20/30 mins each). One thing I clearly remember him saying, was that he was using ultrasound to ‘aim’, to ensure that the waves didn’t hit my bone, that allowed him to use a higher strength signal - he said that at the higher levels it could damage my bone.

The ESWT came in pulses, and the only way I can describe the sensation is that someone was inside whacking my Achilles with a hammer. It hurt! Maybe I’ve got a low pain threshold (‘you haven’t been through childbirth, you don’t know what pain is’ - as wifey likes to remind me), but I was sweating and gripping the bed, focusing on not moving and giving an occasional ‘holy hell’ grunt (OK, maybe I didn’t use ‘holy’)!

The sensation (pain) I felt did seem to align with the point of the process, which is to generate blood flow into the injured area by aggravating it. I do think it helped with my recovery, and future scans did show the black area becoming white. How much can be attributed to the treatment; the placebo effect; regression to the mean - I don’t know, but personally I feel that it did contribute a large percentage to the healing process, and I would go for it again.

It took me 8/9 months to recover, so I could run again. I still get twinges and try and massage it regularly and to do calf raises. I also ditched my Newtons, although I have no firm evidence, I personally think that the change in my running ‘form’ may have contributed as my calf wasn’t ready for the extra load and so diverted responsibility to my Achilles.

Hope you get better soon.

This is very interesting. When everyone is saying, “I saw a Doc” what type of doctor are you seeing, M.D., D.O., D.C., D.P.T.? I am interested to read more of what works for everyone. I wish you a fast road to recovery moorey!

I was treated by an MBBS (the equivalent of an M.D.) who also holds a Masters in Sports Medicine.

This is very interesting. When everyone is saying, “I saw a Doc” what type of doctor are you seeing, M.D., D.O., D.C., D.P.T.? I am interested to read more of what works for everyone. I wish you a fast road to recovery moorey!

The doctor I saw last week was a Podiatrist, which is an M.D. that specializes in feet.

thanks for the good wishes. I’m sure I’ll recover- I just sick of not being able to run and want to be better NOW. Looks like it’s going to be at least a few more months. My only focus right now is being able to build back up for Boston in April. Still almost 8 months away, but without a base, I’ll need 6.