Trying to decide between the two. Anyone have a direct comparison between the 1080 and teh 95mm ENVE?
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I went from the 6.7’s last season to the 8.9’s this year. I haven’t ridden them outside much (3-4 rides), but they definitely feel faster though a bit more twitchy in the wind. I will probably be picking up a 6 front from Wheelbuilder for training and super windy racing conditions.
I’ve got the enve 6.7 with Chris King Hubs.
The wheels are incredible, comfortable, stable, stiff and fast. Haven’t ridden on the wheels you want the comparison from though, but no complaints from me. They also hold up quite well in the wind, 30km/h and above and it is still controllable, although can have a few moments of throw around.
I have a set of 65/45s and the Smart System 8.9 clinchers. I rode the latter at Cozumel 2013 in the wind without problems. I weigh 155. Yes, I can felt the side gusts over 15mph pull on the front but if you practice riding in the wind its not a big deal.
I can’t make the comparison for you, but I rode a set of 6.7 clinchers last season with CycleOps hubs. I’ll echo others in that they handled well in the wind and were fast.
I have a set of 65/45s and the Smart System 8.9 clinchers. I rode the latter at Cozumel 2013 in the wind without problems. I weigh 155. Yes, I can felt the side gusts over 15mph pull on the front but if you practice riding in the wind its not a big deal.
Yes, this is a tough decision. I’m guessing the 6.7 is close to the 808’s which I have owned before and the 95mm rear is close to the old 1080 but the 85 front could be a bit of a challenge in the wind. I have a Flo 60 front that I LOVE and could use when in doubt and almost most certainly Kona…
I’m 178lbs so on the larger side but not the most accomplished bike handler in the world. The 6.7 might be a better for everyday training on hills etc. and a better fit to transfer to my road bike since i will be getting a power tap hub and do not have a PM on my road bike- Quarg only TT.
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I’m 74kg and I had my 8.9’s out in strong 25mph+ winds this weekend, doing a recce for a race next month, it was a bit hairy at times, but surprisingly not as bad as I had expected. FWIW, I have used them in every TT in the last 18 months regardless of the weather.
I ride 8.9’s. Amazing wheels – I find them very stable in winds and great even on hilly courses. I’m 170 lbs. These are the first wheels I’ve ever ridden when I was thought “Wow, these are faster.” Mine have Chris King hubs. Also considered the 6.7’s: I had people say it’s not a huge difference between the two. I would decide based on how much you weigh: if you’re lighter, go with the 6.7’s, if you’re bigger or very comfortable in cross winds, the 8.9’s. They’re very stable wheels, and there’s not a huge difference in performance that you’ll get with the deeper wheels. Another possibility is getting the “6” front and the “9” in the back for a little better stability. Case in point: a lot of ENVE riders at Kona this year had the “3” in front and the “9” in the back to help with the winds.
As a self described wheel junkie I’ve owned most of the popular makes/models and I’ve never liked a wheelset as much as my 6.7s with DT240s.
I ride 8.9’s. Amazing wheels – I find them very stable in winds and great even on hilly courses. I’m 170 lbs. These are the first wheels I’ve ever ridden when I was thought “Wow, these are faster.” Mine have Chris King hubs. Also considered the 6.7’s: I had people say it’s not a huge difference between the two. I would decide based on how much you weigh: if you’re lighter, go with the 6.7’s, if you’re bigger or very comfortable in cross winds, the 8.9’s. They’re very stable wheels, and there’s not a huge difference in performance that you’ll get with the deeper wheels. Another possibility is getting the “6” front and the “9” in the back for a little better stability. Case in point: a lot of ENVE riders at Kona this year had the “3” in front and the “9” in the back to help with the winds.
This is great info! Anyone have a direct comparison, crosswind wise, with the 808’s and Enve 85mm front?
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This is great info! Anyone have a direct comparison, crosswind wise, with the 808’s and Enve 85mm front?
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Not a 100% direct answer to your questions and it has been discussed before but I have for front wheels 808 firecrest, 404 firecrest, Enve 6, Reynolds Aero 72 and the Reynolds Aero 72 is by far the most stable. Second would be Zipp 404, Enve 6 and 808 would be close. All wheels are clincher and all tested with GP4000S and Attack tires.
So I guess there is something very personal about wheel stability… Enve Smart is very often described as a very stable wheel and at least for the 60mm model I find it “ok” but not as good as options from Zipp and Reynolds.
I think for the Enve 85mm to be as stable as the 808 it would have to be as stable as then Enve 6… meaning Enve 60mm = Enve 85mm in term of stability… sounds a bit to good to be true so my approximate guess is that the 808 is probably easier to handle than the Enve 85mm 
I had that line of thought, except I wanted to pair an 808 front with the back 8.9. Felt like it would be the best of all worlds.
Weird, most publications have stated the ENVE wheels as the most stable… In my time on 6.7s, 404s, 8.9s and 808s, that is the order I’d rank them… I haven’t been on the Reynolds wheels so I can’t comment on those…
One thing to note is the ENVE wheels are designed as a system (may be more marketing) but the wider wheel in front, narrower/deeper wheel in rear may play into their aero models…
This is great info! Anyone have a direct comparison, crosswind wise, with the 808’s and Enve 85mm front?
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Not a 100% direct answer to your questions and it has been discussed before but I have for front wheels 808 firecrest, 404 firecrest, Enve 6, Reynolds Aero 72 and the Reynolds Aero 72 is by far the most stable. Second would be Zipp 404, Enve 6 and 808 would be close. All wheels are clincher and all tested with GP4000S and Attack tires.
So I guess there is something very personal about wheel stability… Enve Smart is very often described as a very stable wheel and at least for the 60mm model I find it “ok” but not as good as options from Zipp and Reynolds.
I think for the Enve 85mm to be as stable as the 808 it would have to be as stable as then Enve 6… meaning Enve 60mm = Enve 85mm in term of stability… sounds a bit to good to be true so my approximate guess is that the 808 is probably easier to handle than the Enve 85mm
I love the 6.7 clinchers for everyday use and then the 8.9 tubulars for race day. I am mostly a road biker. Previously I have ridden the Zipp 303’s.
Weird, most publications have stated the ENVE wheels as the most stable… In my time on 6.7s, 404s, 8.9s and 808s, that is the order I’d rank them… I haven’t been on the Reynolds wheels so I can’t comment on those…
One thing to note is the ENVE wheels are designed as a system (may be more marketing) but the wider wheel in front, narrower/deeper wheel in rear may play into their aero models…
This is great info! Anyone have a direct comparison, crosswind wise, with the 808’s and Enve 85mm front?
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Not a 100% direct answer to your questions and it has been discussed before but I have for front wheels 808 firecrest, 404 firecrest, Enve 6, Reynolds Aero 72 and the Reynolds Aero 72 is by far the most stable. Second would be Zipp 404, Enve 6 and 808 would be close. All wheels are clincher and all tested with GP4000S and Attack tires.
So I guess there is something very personal about wheel stability… Enve Smart is very often described as a very stable wheel and at least for the 60mm model I find it “ok” but not as good as options from Zipp and Reynolds.
I think for the Enve 85mm to be as stable as the 808 it would have to be as stable as then Enve 6… meaning Enve 60mm = Enve 85mm in term of stability… sounds a bit to good to be true so my approximate guess is that the 808 is probably easier to handle than the Enve 85mm
Thanks!
I love the 6.7 clinchers for everyday use and then the 8.9 tubulars for race day. I am mostly a road biker. Previously I have ridden the Zipp 303’s.
Would you race on the 6.7 clinchers? I am about to order a set of 6.7s for mixed road and tri racing, and am torn between tubulars and clinchers. The weight difference seems negligible (52 grams as per Enve). I have some other wheels that are tubular so I am not averse to using them, just that for such minimal weight gain it seems like a no brainer.
I race and ride my Evne 6.7 clinchers every day. I love them for all uses. I got the clinchers so that I could ride them everyday with out having to worry about tubular tires.
I race and ride my Evne 6.7 clinchers every day. I love them for all uses. I got the clinchers so that I could ride them everyday with out having to worry about tubular tires.
I ride my 8.9 clinchers every day as well. I may pick up a 6 front for the really windy days, but I haven’t had a point where I really needed it yet.
I race and ride my Evne 6.7 clinchers every day. I love them for all uses. I got the clinchers so that I could ride them everyday with out having to worry about tubular tires.
I ride my 8.9 clinchers every day as well. I may pick up a 6 front for the really windy days, but I haven’t had a point where I really needed it yet.
An interesting update on my thoughts about the 8.9s and wind. After getting caught out in a very windy rain storm over the weekend I don’t think I’ll be looking to pick up a 6 front anymore. There were sustained winds in the 15-20mph range (from every direction) and even bigger gusts. The wheels handled spectacularly. Even in the biggest gusts they never felt like I was getting blown around. It was a consistent pressure that was easy to adjust to. I’ve ridden 404s; 6.7s, 808s and 8.9s and the ENVE’s just feel so much more relaxed in the wind.
As a follow-up to this thread, I now own 6.7s and have about 150 miles on them in less than a week. Despite doing an interval set earlier in the day, when the winds kicked up to 30+ mph gusts, I decided to go out to test out the wheels. I had zero issues in the wind. Sure, once or twice I had to take a little corrective action. I would say that the 6.7s are less susceptible to crosswinds than traditional aluminum rims with the fat bladed metal spokes. I am really impressed to the point where I plan on selling all of my other wheels!