I can’t seem to find this info. anywhere, even on Mavic’s website. Colorado Cyclist has weekend special of Dura-ace build kit w/ Mavic Cosmic Carbone wheelset for $1999. Seems like a good deal as the wheelset alone retails for $1449. Any thoughts?
That is a screamin’ deal. Basically, you could turn that into $2500 on E-Bay in three days by selling everything seperately.
I think the depth of the Carbone is about 54mm if my memory serves me correctly. They are nice everyday wheels, but not race wheels. They are about the same weight as a sewer lid.
"Basically, you could turn that into $2500 on E-Bay in three days by selling everything seperately. "
Thanks Tom! Yea, I was kinda’ thinking that myself.
They are nice everyday wheels, but not race wheels. They are about the same weight as a sewer lid.
Every once in a while you say things that cast a shadow over your other seemingly informative posts…
They are about 10 oz heavier than a 404, which is a lot for a wheel set. My training wheels are lighter than that 36 hole Open Pros. G
They are about 10 oz heavier than a 404, which is a lot for a wheel set. My training wheels are lighter than that 36 hole Open Pros. G
So?
So it seems to me that three sets of 28,32,36 hole Record hubs with Open Pro rims with enough change for tires would be a better deal than one set of pretty heavy semi aero wheels for the stable.
Unless thay have changed, they use a carbon fairing on a Open pro rim . I guess you have much more money than me, because if I were to spend over a grand on a set of carbon aero wheels they better not weigh more than my everyday training wheels.
I guess you have much more money than me, because if I were to spend over a grand on a set of carbon aero wheels they better not weigh more than my everyday training wheels.
Right… weight trumps aero… that logic alone would explain why I have much more money than you do.
I recommend the Carbones to all my rivals.
Not very light
Not very aero
Real expensive
Those are the three qualities I look for in all my equipment. I am lucky enough to be able to afford to buy what I want. To me a wheel has to fill a specific need. If it is a training wheel it needs to be strong and reliable. If it is a climbing wheel it needs to be light. If it is an aero wheel it needs to be among fastest in it’s class, and weight is a consideration for road racing as there are advantages of a 40-50mm aero wheelset that is 10oz lighter than another one in its class. I don’t need a set of $1500 training wheels.
I wonder why a major retailer is dumping them out the door at a fraction of the msrp?
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I recommend the Carbones to all my rivals.
Not very light
Not very aero
Real expensive
Those are the three qualities I look for in all my equipment. I am lucky enough to be able to afford to buy what I want. To me a wheel has to fill a specific need. If it is a training wheel it needs to be strong and reliable. If it is a climbing wheel it needs to be light. If it is an aero wheel it needs to be among fastest in it’s class, and weight is a consideration for road racing as there are advantages of a 40-50mm aero wheelset that is 10oz lighter than another one in its class. I don’t need a set of $1500 training wheels.
I wonder why a major retailer is dumping them out the door at a fraction of the msrp?
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While your ignorance earlier amazed me, with each post of yours I become more used to it… you must be in constant bliss…
mojo,
give these people a break, cosmic carbones are regarded as a poor wheelset choice among any cyclists who are not sponsored by mavic. Read a few cycling forums and this will confrim that sentiment. Mavic does make a bunch of great wheels, the carbones are one of their weak points though. I’m sorry but this is the case.
Also, your reference to aero being more important than weight is a good point, but carbones happen to not be very aero. Their profile looks aero, but they test poorly in that respect. Don’t be a jerk unless you have good data to fortify your position. Otherwise you come out looking like an ill-informed, ignorant jerk. And who likes that?
I thought they were deeper than 54mm. The old version was a a whopping 63mm and I didn’t think they’d changed that much. Nonetheless a reliable wheel like most of Mavics stuff…
Their profile looks aero, but they test poorly in that respect. Don’t be a jerk unless you have good data to fortify your position.
You’re being a jerk… and without data to fortify your position…
for a heavy, not very aero wheel they don’t seem to be slowing down Mr. Lessing very much.
Maybe Lance should come out with another book entitled “it’s not about the wheels”? 
“They are nice everyday wheels, but not race wheels.”
Someone should clue in all those pros that ride 'em in bike races.
Funny, the data one can find about the true consequences of weight (even, gasp, rotational weight) on the internet. More marketing. More crap.
Here’s a nice article by Kraig Willett:
http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/wheel_theory.htm
"…So, what do all these numbers mean? It means that when evaluating wheel performance, wheel aerodynamics are the most important, distantly followed by wheel mass. Wheel inertia effects in all cases are so small that they are arguably insignificant.
How can it be that wheel inertial forces are nearly insignificant, when the advertisements say that inertia is so important? Quite simply, inertial forces are a function of acceleration. In bike racing this peak acceleration is about .1 to .2 g’s and is generally only seen when beginning from an initial velocity of 0 (see criterium race data in Appendix D ). Furthermore, the 0.3kg/0.66lb difference in wheels, even if this mass is out at the rim, is so small compared to your body mass that the differences in wheel inertia will be unperceivable. Any difference in acceleration due to bicycle wheels that is claimed by your riding buddies is primarily due to cognitive dissonance, or the placebo effect (they paid a lot of money for the wheels so there must be some perceivable gain)."
They don’t seem to slow Chabaud down either.
Where’s your data that the Carbones’ aerodynamics test poorly?
mojo,
give these people a break, cosmic carbones are regarded as a poor wheelset choice among any cyclists who are not sponsored by mavic. Read a few cycling forums and this will confrim that sentiment. Mavic does make a bunch of great wheels, the carbones are one of their weak points though. I’m sorry but this is the case.
Also, your reference to aero being more important than weight is a good point, but carbones happen to not be very aero. Their profile looks aero, but they test poorly in that respect. Don’t be a jerk unless you have good data to fortify your position. Otherwise you come out looking like an ill-informed, ignorant jerk. And who likes that?
You provide nothing to substantiate what can only be called “ill-informed” and “ignorant” remarks regarding a well-regarded wheelset with an impressive palmares.
Hasn’t Pettacchi won a few stages on Carbones in recent years? More than a few even?
Not to mention, the new carbones are probably the ugliest race wheel out there.
