Looking for deca doers.
No thanks.
I know a guy that used to do double distance IM. I asked him one time what he was doing for the weekend and he responded he had an eight hour indoor trainer ride on Sunday.
Whatever turns ya on.
Eileen Steil posts here regularly. For some reason I can’t get into her website, but here’s the promoters website.
I did a Deca-Olympic in '99 and am doing the Double Deca this November.As has been mentioned Eileen Steil has done one and the other UltraTriGuy here on ST Wayne Kurtz is doing the Deca in Nov.
What did you want to know 'cause if you need to I can put you in contact with a bunch of Deca finishers.
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I actually crewed for Eileen a couple of Novembers ago when she did the Deca. What exactly do you need to know? I have first hand knowledge of everything except actually doing the race.
Are you going to be helping her out again this year?
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What did you want to know 'cause if you need to I can put you in contact with a bunch of Deca finishers.
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I don’t want to high jack Tibbs’ thread, but there is something I would like to know- how?
I can’t wrap my head around the training you would have to do for something like this. I take the training I did to cross the line of a single IM (at an ST non-approved time, no less) and extrapolate out to what you would need to do in training for something like this and there simply aren’t enough hours in the week. Is there something I am missing? My only theory is that you guys are just mentally tough enough to endure what you aren’t really capable of training physically for?
sorry for potential high jack Mr. Tibbs
I did a Deca-Olympic in '99 and am doing the Double Deca this November.As has been mentioned Eileen Steil has done one and the other UltraTriGuy here on ST Wayne Kurtz is doing the Deca in Nov.
What did you want to know 'cause if you need to I can put you in contact with a bunch of Deca finishers.
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You’re doing a 20x IM? Holy F.
I’ve spent a lot of time hanging out with Ultra people and they(we) think very differently about our sport than the masses.We tend to think more along the lines of “anything is achievable” and we work toward that whereas most folks like to think that stuff like that is not possible and just try to bring you down with negativity.That is why I won’t go into details about what I’m doing in my training here on ST as it is hard enough to hear the voices in my head giving me shit than to put up with it from the gurus here as well.
I will say though that I look more to the great explorers and mountaneers of the world for inspiration than anyone else.The ability to push yourself beyond what is considered possible is something that has been well documented in history and it will be Sir Ernest Shakleton and those of his ilk who I will be thinking of when things get tough during my events later this year.
I have taken this year off to prepare for the Double-Deca and 50+ hour training weeks will become the norm very shortly.
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Yes KenyonTri I am and so is fellow STér Eileen Steil.
As this is a mainly Nth American site I would like to ask the “tri-industry” people here on ST to think seriously about helping Eileen in anyway possible by way of product,cash and media sponsorship to make her preparation for the Double-Deca a little easier.She is an awesome person and would be a great representative for any company both here and outside the ST family.She will do the USA proud.
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I don’t know if my job will allow. A double deca sounds nuts.
I’ve spent a lot of time hanging out with Ultra people and they(we) think very differently about our sport than the masses.We tend to think more along the lines of “anything is achievable” and we work toward that whereas most folks like to think that stuff like that is not possible and just try to bring you down with negativity.That is why I won’t go into details about what I’m doing in my training here on ST as it is hard enough to hear the voices in my head giving me shit than to put up with it from the gurus here as well.
I will say though that I look more to the great explorers and mountaneers of the world for inspiration than anyone else.The ability to push yourself beyond what is considered possible is something that has been well documented in history and it will be Sir Ernest Shakleton and those of his ilk who I will be thinking of when things get tough during my events later this year.
I have taken this year off to prepare for the Double-Deca and 50+ hour training weeks will become the norm very shortly.
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If it were not for the ultra folks the world would still be stuck thinking a marathon was the ultimate endurance event. When we did the first IM people thought we were crazy. Now it is commonplace and “everyone” can do one. The one thing I think that sets the ultras apart from the “ordinaries” is the ultras are more about pacing and doing and the “ordinaries” think more about “racing” and times.
You are quite right Frank,very few people actually race Ultra’s in the true sense of the word.It is all about pacing,nutrition,getting your sleep cycles right and pain management.
I am pretty surprised that more of the scientists here are not interested in the physiology of the top ultra guys as several of the European Ultra-triathletes and runners has been lab rats for the military of various Euro countries for years.
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Yes KenyonTri I am and so is fellow STér Eileen Steil.
As this is a mainly Nth American site I would like to ask the “tri-industry” people here on ST to think seriously about helping Eileen in anyway possible by way of product,cash and media sponsorship to make her preparation for the Double-Deca a little easier.She is an awesome person and would be a great representative for any company both here and outside the ST family.She will do the USA proud.
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100% agree. Actually I go to her regularly for massages. She is a great person and a phenominal athlete.
I think she will finish the double-deca IM…as crazy as that is.
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You are quite right Frank,very few people actually race Ultra’s in the true sense of the word.It is all about pacing,nutrition,getting your sleep cycles right and pain management.
I am pretty surprised that more of the scientists here are not interested in the physiology of the top ultra guys as several of the European Ultra-triathletes and runners has been lab rats for the military of various Euro countries for years.
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Most scientists are interested in studying things they do. Cyclists study cycling, runners study runners, Not many ultra-event scientists although the military has an interest in this for their elite forces as you indicated. And, even if there were I am not sure there would be much to learn. Ultra guys are simply better at getting more out of their training based (from a distance perspective) than those going for speed. I think the differences are mostly psychological and not physiological. Doubt the double deca people have a higher capillary (or mitochondrial, or anything else) density than someone like Meb or Lance. I would be interested in what those European studies have shown. IMHO, the main differences between the groups is the mental approach to the events. That is probably hard to measure in the lab.
Our local race director did one I think, you may know him. Todd Heady. From the stories he told, it is as much about boredom management as anything. Aren’t alot of these done around set loops, maybe 10 mile bike loops and 1 or 2 mile run loops? And the swims are pool swims?
In one of the latest runners world they had an article about a guy doing one around a track. I couldn’t even imagine running 10 miles around a track, much less 50 or a 100.
What did you want to know 'cause if you need to I can put you in contact with a bunch of Deca finishers.
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I don’t want to high jack Tibbs’ thread, but there is something I would like to know- how?
I can’t wrap my head around the training you would have to do for something like this. I take the training I did to cross the line of a single IM (at an ST non-approved time, no less) and extrapolate out to what you would need to do in training for something like this and there simply aren’t enough hours in the week. Is there something I am missing? My only theory is that you guys are just mentally tough enough to endure what you aren’t really capable of training physically for?
sorry for potential high jack Mr. Tibbs
You can’t wrap your head around it precisely because you are trying to extrapolate training distance to race distance. You can’t. they can’t. No body can survive the training it would take to gracefully and easily complete one of these events. The events themselves are where all the suffering is compacted and stuffed. You don’t race these as much as you endure these.
You probably won’t train more (in terms of overall hours) than you do for IM. The intensity will be far, far, far less when you do go long. (such as a 50 mile trail run once a month…or a 300 mile bike day here and there).
It’s an amazing and courageous thing these people do. They should be admired.
Wow, just WOW. I thought this was an April Fools joke at first. You guys are incredible.
I am pretty surprised that more of the scientists here are not interested in the physiology of the top ultra guys as several of the European Ultra-triathletes and runners has been lab rats for the military of various Euro countries for years. .Monday I was actually listening a presentation by one of our PhD student who followed a bunch of guys doing the Grand Union Canal race, running from Birmingham to London along the canals, about 145M. His main topic was changes of the immune system, and the data he shown were a bit scary. The immune system is really depressed for a long time after this race. So there are some people doing this kind of research, but it’s a lot more difficult methodologically than lab tests.
Back to the OP topic, I would love too to hear about your training regime. Ignore the ST gurus, what is a ‘typical’ week like? What 50h/week are made of?