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If he fights and loses (which all appearances are he will) and the folks he won the bonus from are able to come after him for it, he could wind up broke when it’s all said and done. He’ll start reshaping his legacy today is my guess. But it’s hard to say for sure.
Yea cause the cases against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens was so well prosecuted and they supposedly had DNA
Yea cause the cases against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens was so well prosecuted and they supposedly had DNA
Those were for perjury, not doping violations. Big differences. Lance will not win against USADA in arbitration.
If he fights and loses (which all appearances are he will) and the folks he won the bonus from are able to come after him for it, he could wind up broke when it’s all said and done. He’ll start reshaping his legacy today is my guess. But it’s hard to say for sure.
I seem to remember that the decision at that time was not made on the basis of whether there was evidence he doped or not because they said it didn’t matter, there was no clause in the contract that voided the bonus if he did?
If he fights and loses (which all appearances are he will) and the folks he won the bonus from are able to come after him for it, he could wind up broke when it’s all said and done. He’ll start reshaping his legacy today is my guess. But it’s hard to say for sure.
I seem to remember that the decision at that time was not made on the basis of whether there was evidence he doped or not because they said it didn’t matter, there was no clause in the contract that voided the bonus if he did?
Absolutely true. However, I believe the lawsuit being drafted if he’s banned is that he obtained the bonus fraudulently. That will be a much different process than the arbitration they went through. If Texas law holds, they may not be able to get the bonus back because its hard to get out of a voluntary settlement under texas law but if that settlement was obtained via perjured testimony they may have a way out.
My guess is he doesn’t appeal. From all appearances he doesn’t have a shot in the court of law so he’s going to put a full court press on the court of public opinion. He’ll “accept” the ban and just cry bloody murder about the process say “he never tested positive” and “fight cancer” more often than normal.
My guess is he doesn’t appeal. From all appearances he doesn’t have a shot in the court of law so he’s going to put a full court press on the court of public opinion. He’ll “accept” the ban and just cry bloody murder about the process say “he never tested positive” and “fight cancer” more often than normal.
He’s not going to a court or law. He’s going to USADA’s arbitration process (if he chooses to…).
Looking like Lance is running out of time and options.
Judge Dismisses Lance Armstrong’s Suit Against U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/08/news/judge-dismisses-lance-armstrongs-suit-against-u-s-anti-doping-agency_59970
Looking like Lance is running out of time and options.
Judge Dismisses Lance Armstrong’s Suit Against U.S. Anti-Doping Agency
http://triathlon.competitor.com/…-doping-agency_59970
Uh, that’s kinda old news and this thread is speculating on what happens next
That is what I would do and what I think LA will do. I just saw the (non)story on msn that the deadline is tonight. All of the comments, all of them, are the fan-boy favorites…cancer, hero, innocent until proven guilty (I’d love to hear them discuss arresting/charging people before a trial), waste of money, it’s in the past, 100’s of test…even saw a new one: the US shouldn’t be going after one of our own.
Honestly, I think he’s already won the fight in the court of public opinion. Even if a ton of evidence is made public, a major slice of the population will shrug and say it doesn’t matter.
If he fights and loses (which all appearances are he will) and the folks he won the bonus from are able to come after him for it, he could wind up broke when it’s all said and done. He’ll start reshaping his legacy today is my guess. But it’s hard to say for sure.
I seem to remember that the decision at that time was not made on the basis of whether there was evidence he doped or not because they said it didn’t matter, there was no clause in the contract that voided the bonus if he did?
Absolutely true. However, I believe the lawsuit being drafted if he’s banned is that he obtained the bonus fraudulently. That will be a much different process than the arbitration they went through. If Texas law holds, they may not be able to get the bonus back because its hard to get out of a voluntary settlement under texas law but if that settlement was obtained via perjured testimony they may have a way out.
The bonus was $5MM ($7.5MM with interest and legal fees at the time), so LA might be on the hook for $10MM max due to the time lag. The dude’s worth at least $100MM, so it might hurt, but it won’t make him broke.
That is what I would do and what I think LA will do. I just saw the (non)story on msn that the deadline is tonight. All of the comments, all of them, are the fan-boy favorites…cancer, hero, innocent until proven guilty (I’d love to hear them discuss arresting/charging people before a trial), waste of money, it’s in the past, 100’s of test…even saw a new one: the US shouldn’t be going after one of our own.
Honestly, I think he’s already won the fight in the court of public opinion. Even if a ton of evidence is made public, a major slice of the population will shrug and say it doesn’t matter.
Correct me if I’m wrong on the assumptions. But my thoughts are largely based on not fighting would keep the evidence secret. Also, I totally agree he’s won the court of public opinion- and it’s not close.
(and BLeP- Thanks for the correction but the “Court of Law” was meant as an rhetorical device.)
So Lance has to make his decision today on whether or not to go to arbitration with USADA and there is no thread about it?!?
This must change.
What’s he going to do? Where is JRenfro?
These questions demand answers.
No JRenfro-No JackMott= HHMMMMMM! Could Be.
It would be interesting if he just said “screw it” and opened pro cycling up for all to see. Named names, named teams, told how people did it, named other athletes in other sports.
Now that would be a huge fly in the USADA soup!
Good Point!
Sorry if I was unclear, I agree: don’t fight so evidence doesn’t come out. My point is, some of the hero worshippers wouldn’t believe it if they saw him committ some heinous act with their own eyes. Well, wouldn’t believe or would dismiss it.
" . . . him committ some heinous act with their own eyes."
What heinous act are you referring to?
Fly in the soup? More like feather in their cap. As much as I would love to see a Perry Mason witness stand confession, we both know it’s not gonna happen. More likely to hear, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
It would be interesting if he just said “screw it” and opened pro cycling up for all to see. Named names, named teams, told how people did it, named other athletes in other sports.
Now that would be a huge fly in the USADA soup!
Maybe I don’t understand what fly in the soup means but seems to me that is something negative whereas what you propose would seem to vindicate USADA and in fact go some way in achieving their aim?
Why would USADA be upset if Armstrong did what you propose?
Not referring to any that have occurred. Just saying there are people, lots of 'em, who can’t fathom that Saint Lance could be flawed in any way. By way of ridiculous example, if he were to club a baby seal before their eyes, the choir would strike up a rousing chorus of “It doesn’t matter, he helps cancer patients.”
It would be interesting if he just said “screw it” and opened pro cycling up for all to see. Named names, named teams, told how people did it, named other athletes in other sports.
Now that would be a huge fly in the USADA soup!
Maybe I don’t understand what fly in the soup means but seems to me that is something negative whereas what you propose would seem to vindicate USADA and in fact go some way in achieving their aim?
Why would USADA be upset if Armstrong did what you propose?
Because it would do one of two things
Make USADA look incompetent.
Make the USADA look like they prefer to blow off cases in order to pursue only the big fish.