for TT only …
on a slice rs, would a bottle like this http://www.elite-it.com/kit-crono-cx/ be faster than no bottle at all?
and no i don’t plan to drink. i just put in champagne for after.
…i just put in champagne for after.
Bad karma will befall you bro…
no, but not as slow as a round bottle, unless you drink the champagne early by accident
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Here’s some info a few years old from Cervelo. Generally, an aero bottle still is not as aero as none.
great info, thanks. no bottle it is then.
How long is the TT? If under 40K, then probably no water bottle - unless the weather is hot, and then it depends.
no, but not as slow as a round bottle, unless you drink the champagne early by accident
Interestingly in yesterday’s TT at the Tour of Cali, those that had water bottles all had the plain old round ones. Even Wiggins. I recall seeing the same during the TDF TTs. “aero” bottles just seem to cost more. If they really made any difference the top pros would be using them.
bad logic, right there
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bad logic, right there
Why? You’d think in the biggest race, where every second counts, if there were a few seconds to be had they would use whatever it takes to get them. Just based on that aero bottles seem to be nothing more than a gimmick.
no, but not as slow as a round bottle, unless you drink the champagne early by accident
Interestingly in yesterday’s TT at the Tour of Cali, those that had water bottles all had the plain old round ones. Even Wiggins. I recall seeing the same during the TDF TTs. “aero” bottles just seem to cost more. If they really made any difference the top pros would be using them.
Almost all pros use round bottles because they are easier to grab and drink from when pushing so hard.
This brings up debate as to whether Ironman athletes benefit from aero bottles. We aren’t pushing as hard, so it’s easier to grab and drink from BUT realistically an aero bottle over a round bottle saves you less than a minute (I really don’t know, just spit balling from previous posts). If you’re all over the place trying to grab your bottle and put it back in, then maybe it isn’t faster. Could even be slower.
I’m currently debating whether to use a round bottle or invest in a ridiculously over priced $75 Xlab TT bottle/cage… so I’m happy for people to tell me I’m wrong or agree.
UCI rule I beleive… if they could go without they would… (pending rider need of course)…
UCI rule I beleive… if they could go without they would… (pending rider need of course)…
OK thanks. Makes more sense that it would be against some weird rule.
no, but not as slow as a round bottle, unless you drink the champagne early by accident
Interestingly in yesterday’s TT at the Tour of Cali, those that had water bottles all had the plain old round ones. Even Wiggins. I recall seeing the same during the TDF TTs. “aero” bottles just seem to cost more. If they really made any difference the top pros would be using them.
Almost all pros use round bottles because they are easier to grab and drink from when pushing so hard.
This brings up debate as to whether Ironman athletes benefit from aero bottles. We aren’t pushing as hard, so it’s easier to grab and drink from BUT realistically an aero bottle over a round bottle saves you less than a minute (I really don’t know, just spit balling from previous posts). If you’re all over the place trying to grab your bottle and put it back in, then maybe it isn’t faster. Could even be slower.
I’m currently debating whether to use a round bottle or invest in a ridiculously over priced $75 Xlab TT bottle/cage… so I’m happy for people to tell me I’m wrong or agree.
Do they really need any water/nutrition for 24 minutes? I mean, i know they’re pushing 400 + watts, but still… Not like they have to run after.
As far as UCI regulated events are concerned, aero bottles are not permitted:
UCI Article 1.3.024 states: “Bottles shall not be integrated to the frame and may only be located on the down and seat tubes on the inside of the frame. The maximum dimensions of the cross-section of a bottle used in competition must not exceed 10 cm or be less than 4 cm and their capacity must be a minimum of 400 ml and a maximum of 800 ml.”
To avoid integration, “there must be a space between the bottle and the tube to which it is attached,” (http://velonews.competitor.com/...ate-revisited_200823)
As far as why they are using bottles at all, might be sponsor requirements that all riders have their bottle on their bikes.
You would think that, but we know from experience that they do not.
Sometimes for good reasons involving risk management, sometimes for bad reasons involving mythology and bad math.
This is simply the way of things, with time you will learn that it is so.
bad logic, right there
Why? You’d think in the biggest race, where every second counts, if there were a few seconds to be had they would use whatever it takes to get them. Just based on that aero bottles seem to be nothing more than a gimmick.
that rule allows aero bottles, it just limits their shape to a degree.
It was also a hot day and keep in mind a 460 watt effort is around twice what you do and many times more waste heat and calories and water are used u[ due to that because we are only ~30% efficient.
so they may need that water/sugar
plus tasting sugar makes you go harder
From what I saw quite a few just had bottle cages on there and no bottles. Unless they’d finished and lobbed them away ?
My take on it is that the shape of the bottle (or none) makes absolutely no measurable difference on a bike like that.
Now having 2 750ml bottles full on the back of the saddle - that might slow you down - but conventional placings ? Naaah.
correct, if 1-2sec/km is not something that you consider to slow you down
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From what I saw quite a few just had bottle cages on there and no bottles. Unless they’d finished and lobbed them away ?
My take on it is that the shape of the bottle (or none) makes absolutely no measurable difference on a bike like that.
Now having 2 750ml bottles full on the back of the saddle - that might slow you down - but conventional placings ? Naaah.
RocketScience Sports should look into partnering with a pro team. Their small bottles probably are a good bit more aero than most if only due to the shape of the top. Fit in a standard cage, not hard to grab. I don’t think any pros would resist them.
I use these for crits because most aero bottles are either tricky to get in and out of their cage, or don’t stay in their cage.