A definition that would have encompassed South Korea for much of the period of 1951 to 1980, and where our troops still takes orders from the US, not South Korea. The definition would have also fit West Germany from 1945 to 1950 or Japan for a similar period of time.
…and which cannot make new legislation.
I swear to God, you guys would find fault with a full keg of beer.
The administration should just claim victory right now before things get worse, and they will. Although now they will have a “fall guy” - “the Iraqi administration” which undoubtedly will really need to do more to stabilize the security situation because when we handed it over today it was in great shape.
Did you see how fast Bremer got the hell out of Iraq? That guy was literally on a plane within an hour after the “handover”. You’d think the place was on fire or something. He probably couldn’t stop laughing afterwards.
“You’d think the place was on fire or something.”
Was that a Freudian slip? That place is on fire!
Bremer had the worst job on the PLANET! Bush expected him to square the circle…
I’m glad he’s out of there.
Let those crazy people ruin their own lives for a change. No American should die for a single one of those people. Sorry, but I just don’t think they are worth it.
-Robert
Well, we wouldn’t have this problem if we could just get the billions of dollars allocated to the Space program so that NASA can get on with building transporters. Then we could instantly zap our troops around the world, and out of countries like Iraq the instant we hand over power.
Seriously, until just a few hours ago WE had the folks running the country. Regardless of how you feel about the CPA, Bremer and his CPA needed our troops to keep some sense of order. Those troops don’t just magically disappear. Or maybe you’d pull out the troops and THEN hand over power. Yup, that would have worked.
Would you like pickles on your Whopper value meal, hold the burger, hold the mayo, hold the lettuce, hold the onion, hold the mustard, hold the ketchup, no salt on the fries, half diet/half regular coke, no ice?
Well, we wouldn’t have this problem if we could just get the billions of dollars allocated to the Space program so that NASA can get on with building transporters. Then we could instantly zap our troops around the world, and out of countries like Iraq the instant we hand over power.
So your saying the US military is still present in Iraq due to logistics? We’re not continuing operations there, we’re just waiting for the transports to catch up? Then I guess we should see lots of military homecomings in the immediate days and weeks ahead, right?
No, I’m not saying that we are still there due to logistics. I’m not high enough in the pecking order to presume to know the policies and agreements that may keep us there longer. I’m not even saying that I agree or disagree with staying there. But what I am saying is that, yes, logistics dictate that we could not simply disappear the moment sovereignty is handed over. I’m quibbling with the underlying premise to the original poster’s troll that somehow this could have happened any differently. . .that somehow we could have handed sovereignty back and not had troops still there.
**I’m quibbling with the underlying premise to the original poster’s troll that somehow this could have happened any differently. . .that somehow we could have handed sovereignty back and not had troops still there. **
I thought I was the only one here authorized to quibble to that degree.
When the original poster, and others, complains about still having troops in Iraq despite handing over “sovereignty,” they don’t mean simply having troops physically located in Iraq. They mean having troops in Iraq who are actively engaged in military operations, and not subject to the Iraqi “government.”
Well, again, one does not instantly disengage the forces. This handover of sovereignty is a process, not a point in time. Our troops cannot simply drop their arms, roll up the concertina wire, and pack it home. The Iraqis have to be able to put people and processes in place first. Some of those sorts of decisions require a recognized sovereign government before they will be accepted.
That said, I, like probably most Americans, would like to see us out of there sooner rather than later. But not at the expense of creating a giant sucking void that would seriously threaten the fledgling Iraqi government.