A million little things --- should you confess to about a child born during an affair

A million little things is a TV show on (NBC?) right now, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.
In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

Is anyone (besides the keepers of the secret) helped by the secret being revealed?

Ok, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.

In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

If you know all of this then Eventually the kids will know. There’s no way that you are the lone keeper of this ‘secret’.

Who pays for raising said kid. If it is living real dad, then yes they should come clean.

Oh man. That’s a doozie.

I’ve been thinking about these things quite a bit lately, for my own personal dilemma of my own making, and I keep coming back to the central question:

What does love require of us?

Sometimes I’m convinced it’s total honesty, but then there are some truths that cause more pain than anything can heal.

My son’s best friend’s mother just died of a brain tumor. They weren’t close friends, but we’ve always been in contact and do kid exchanges, etc, and helped out however we could. Dad’s been struggling, obviously, with the loss of his wife, three young kids, and all the grief that comes along with it. A week before she died, she was on home hospice and losing her ability to communicate. During that time, actively dying and her husband bearing that unimaginable burden, he discovered that she’d been having an affair for nearly three years…with his best friend. It broke him, as it would anyone. She concealed it until she was no longer able to, but never broke it off.

I don’t know, but I imagine he struggled with whether or not to tell her that he discovered it. She’d dropped her phone and it was all there, just barely concealed. But he told her he found out, and she was coherent enough to acknowledge that he knew. He wanted her to know that he forgave her (he doesn’t) but didn’t want her to die carrying that burden. But she died, knowing he’s devastated, more than devastated, and there was nothing she could do to help him cope with the betrayal and now anger, grief, everything. No talking about why, what she’d planned to do about it, how she felt about him and their marriage, nothing. Just an end without closure and a life built on a lie. It’s unimaginable. I still can’t wrap my head around what kind of pain he’s living in today. The funeral was yesterday, and already, as of a week before her death, he’d taken down all photos of her in the house. Imagine having your mother die as a child, and seeing your father erase all evidence of her, while you’re grieving the loss of your mother. It brought me to tears, more than once.

So what did love require of him, at that point, and of her, leading up to her death? Honesty, or should she have taken it to the grave, as she planned? Should he have told her he knew, or give her the comfort of thinking he’d lose his faithful, loving, devoted wife without ever knowing of her, and his best friend’s, betrayal.

What does love and mercy require in that situation? I really don’t know the answer, at that point. I guess you have to think long and hard about the consequences and accept the life-altering changes that follow.

Wow. That’s a lot of pain and a big burden to carry. It would be hard for me to fault him for any action that he takes as I surely couldn’t tell you how I would handle it.

Who pays for raising said kid. If it is living real dad, then yes they should come clean.

I don’t recall any mention of paying to raise the kid. For a while it looked like widow was going to hook up with infidelity guy. Dead guy basically left a note that said something like just love each other.

I think the plan was totally act like its the Dead Dad’s kid, so she would just pay.

Ok, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.

In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

If you know all of this then Eventually the kids will know. There’s no way that you are the lone keeper of this ‘secret’.

HUH? its a TV show… the only people who know are the pregnant mom and the biological father. well and the viewing audience lol

Oh man. That’s a doozie.

I’ve been thinking about these things quite a bit lately, for my own personal dilemma of my own making, and I keep coming back to the central question:

What does love require of us?

Sometimes I’m convinced it’s total honesty, but then there are some truths that cause more pain than anything can heal.

My son’s best friend’s mother just died of a brain tumor. They weren’t close friends, but we’ve always been in contact and do kid exchanges, etc, and helped out however we could. Dad’s been struggling, obviously, with the loss of his wife, three young kids, and all the grief that comes along with it. A week before she died, she was on home hospice and losing her ability to communicate. During that time, actively dying and her husband bearing that unimaginable burden, he discovered that she’d been having an affair for nearly three years…with his best friend. It broke him, as it would anyone. She concealed it until she was no longer able to, but never broke it off.

I don’t know, but I imagine he struggled with whether or not to tell her that he discovered it. She’d dropped her phone and it was all there, just barely concealed. But he told her he found out, and she was coherent enough to acknowledge that he knew. He wanted her to know that he forgave her (he doesn’t) but didn’t want her to die carrying that burden. But she died, knowing he’s devastated, more than devastated, and there was nothing she could do to help him cope with the betrayal and now anger, grief, everything. No talking about why, what she’d planned to do about it, how she felt about him and their marriage, nothing. Just an end without closure and a life built on a lie. It’s unimaginable. I still can’t wrap my head around what kind of pain he’s living in today. The funeral was yesterday, and already, as of a week before her death, he’d taken down all photos of her in the house. Imagine having your mother die as a child, and seeing your father erase all evidence of her, while you’re grieving the loss of your mother. It brought me to tears, more than once.

So what did love require of him, at that point, and of her, leading up to her death? Honesty, or should she have taken it to the grave, as she planned? Should he have told her he knew, or give her the comfort of thinking he’d lose his faithful, loving, devoted wife without ever knowing of her, and his best friend’s, betrayal.

What does love and mercy require in that situation? I really don’t know the answer, at that point. I guess you have to think long and hard about the consequences and accept the life-altering changes that follow.

WOW, true life even more complex than a TV show. I think at some level she must have wanted him to know. I mean how hard would it be to delete whatever evidence was on the phone. Yes I think he should have told her he knew, she commited the violation. I can’t even imagine the conversation with the friend. Wow thats gotta be rough on the kids, I assume they don’t know mom was cheating? I think I would suffer in silence and leave the photos up for the kids sake.

I think she is dead love requires nothing of him going forward toward her. However his love of his kids does deserve something.

Ok, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.

In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

If you know all of this then Eventually the kids will know. There’s no way that you are the lone keeper of this ‘secret’.

HUH? its a TV show… the only people who know are the pregnant mom and the biological father. well and the viewing audience lol

It was hard to tell that from your rambling post.

Ok, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.

In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

Jesus. Some things a MAN has take to the grave with him. I can’t speak for whatever it is women want or want to tell guys or want guys to tell them but… c’mon. This one should be a no-brainer.

And this all goes to hell when the kids want to find their long lost ancestor or find out where their ancestors come from and find out they are half brothers. I wonder how many times those secrets have been blown by DNA testing? I think it is up to the mom to decide if and/or when.

WOW, true life even more complex than a TV show. I think at some level she must have wanted him to know. I mean how hard would it be to delete whatever evidence was on the phone.

I agree, it’s odd. There was a box found with letters, sex toys, and other implicating evidence, too. I don’t know why she didn’t. I suspect she loved him and couldn’t let go under those dire circumstances when everything is slipping away.

Yes I think he should have told her he knew, she commited the violation.

Why?

I can’t even imagine the conversation with the friend.

He confronted him in front of the man’s wife. Judging from her response, it wasn’t the first affair.

Wow thats gotta be rough on the kids, I assume they don’t know mom was cheating? I think I would suffer in silence and leave the photos up for the kids sake.
Mrs sphere’s mother died when she was four years old. That’s exactly what her father did, because he couldn’t cope (and remarried six months later). It’s the worst thing he could’ve done. So my wife is watching her horror play out again in real time, but happening to our son’s best friend and siblings. It’s awful.

I think she is dead love requires nothing of him going forward toward her. However his love of his kids does deserve something.

I agree. It’s a hard road ahead, either way. He needs to preserve her memory, for them. Her love for her children and family never wavered.

Man, people and relationships are complicated, even when they appear anything but on the surface.

And this all goes to hell when the kids want to find their long lost ancestor or find out where their ancestors come from and find out they are half brothers. I wonder how many times those secrets have been blown by DNA testing? I think it is up to the mom to decide if and/or when.

A couple of years ago, my wife learned she was the result of an affair her mom had. She learned after her mom and “dad” passed away. She learned after she and her sisters had Ancestry DNA tests. When she received different DNA results from her sisters, she began doing some research and ultimately found her biological father. My wife would have much rather learned about her “history” from her mom.

With all the DNA tests available, I can’t imagine this type of secret could stay a secret.

Ok, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.

In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

Jesus. Some things a MAN has take to the grave with him. I can’t speak for whatever it is women want or want to tell guys or want guys to tell them but… c’mon. This one should be a no-brainer.

It will be interesting to see where the writers take this, but (Other than the $$$ question raised earlier) I gotta agree with you.

And this all goes to hell when the kids want to find their long lost ancestor or find out where their ancestors come from and find out they are half brothers. I wonder how many times those secrets have been blown by DNA testing? I think it is up to the mom to decide if and/or when.

Well given that 2 biological siblings will have different DNA ancestry reports, not sure how far to believe them anyhow.

Ok, my wife calls it my soap opera, and well yeah, I mean its got everything, Gay child, breast cancer, guy with breast cancer, depresion, suicide attempt, successful suicide, infidelity with a friend, Infidelity with a friend that leads to a child, couple one wants kids one doesn’t.

In a brief sunopsis of important to this thread. Group of married (one single) friends, one guy cheats on his wife with one of the other wives (whos husband commits suicide to start series off) They tell everyone the kid is the husbands. The infedility is outed early in season, couple headed to divorce, sign papers… reconcile.

Well Husband says I promised no more secrets so… (end of episode) clearly he is going to tell about kid.

BUT SHOULD HE?
The pregnant mom has 2 kids everyone thinks its the dead fathers kid. Should he just keep that secret till the end, or is coming fully clean to his wife (hoping she keeps the secret also) the right thing to do.

If it weren’t for the dead father and the 2 kids, I don’t have a problem, but for the sake of the 2 kids (roughly 16 and 12?) I would say no way, they don’t need to know their mom was cheating and this kid is not their now dead fathers.

If you know all of this then Eventually the kids will know. There’s no way that you are the lone keeper of this ‘secret’.

HUH? its a TV show… the only people who know are the pregnant mom and the biological father. well and the viewing audience lol

It was hard to tell that from your rambling post.

Yeah just reread it and realized I never came right out and said that… Fixed it now.

WOW, true life even more complex than a TV show. I think at some level she must have wanted him to know. I mean how hard would it be to delete whatever evidence was on the phone.

I agree, it’s odd. There was a box found with letters, sex toys, and other implicating evidence, too. I don’t know why she didn’t. I suspect she loved him and couldn’t let go under those dire circumstances when everything is slipping away.
Did he keep the sex toys :wink:

Yes I think he should have told her he knew, she commited the violation.

Why?

At some level I think she wanted him to know, I mean if there was physical evidence he was going to find out after she died anyhow. I think it would help the psychy to confront her, instead of suffering in silence.

I can’t even imagine the conversation with the friend.

He confronted him in front of the man’s wife. Judging from her response, it wasn’t the first affair.

Wow thats gotta be rough on the kids, I assume they don’t know mom was cheating? I think I would suffer in silence and leave the photos up for the kids sake.
Mrs sphere’s mother died when she was four years old. That’s exactly what her father did, because he couldn’t cope (and remarried six months later). It’s the worst thing he could’ve done. So my wife is watching her horror play out again in real time, but happening to our son’s best friend and siblings. It’s awful.

I think she is dead love requires nothing of him going forward toward her. However his love of his kids does deserve something.

I agree. It’s a hard road ahead, either way. He needs to preserve her memory, for them. Her love for her children and family never wavered.

Man, people and relationships are complicated, even when they appear anything but on the surface.

Wow doubly so your wife, cant even imagine it. I mean my parents are still alive, so yeah I have no experience with a loss like that, and struggle with trivial losses ( I mean yes all my grandparents are passed but thats really expected)

Good luck with that one, seems like navigating a mine field would be easier.

And this all goes to hell when the kids want to find their long lost ancestor or find out where their ancestors come from and find out they are half brothers. I wonder how many times those secrets have been blown by DNA testing? I think it is up to the mom to decide if and/or when.

A couple of years ago, my wife learned she was the result of an affair her mom had. She learned after her mom and “dad” passed away. She learned after she and her sisters had Ancestry DNA tests. When she received different DNA results from her sisters, she began doing some research and ultimately found her biological father. My wife would have much rather learned about her “history” from her mom.

With all the DNA tests available, I can’t imagine this type of secret could stay a secret.

How different were the DNA results. I have not looked much into the results by siblings, I just know that each ones will be different.

What the hell was her plan? To die and let him find out then?

That seems really cowardly.

And with the box of letters etc… he was going to find out.