70.3 liquid training plan using Gatorade Endurance...thoughts

I am planning on racing at Musselman 70.3 half Ironman is July. I have never done a race over an Olympic distance and the nutrition & hydration area is a bit of a concern for me. I have purchased a case of Gatorade Endurance and plan to use it primarily on the bike and again on the run at the hydration stops.

My bike has a Torhans 30 oz hydration system and dual rear cage for 2 - 24 oz Gatorade Endurance bottles. I plan to drink the 30 oz in the Torhans and 48 ounces directly out of the Gatorade bottles from my rear cage, thus not ever stopping at aide stations on the bike route. On the run I will use the 4 aide stations for Gatorade Endurance.

My goals times are as follows…which will help determine how much to consume:

Swim: :33
Bike: 2:35
Run: 1:45
Overall: < 5:00

I have used the Gatorade Endurance several times for training rides/runs and enjoy the taste and it agrees with me. My gut is good with liquids, but doesn’t;'t do so well with solids, which is why I am going all liquid for this race. I may grab a few Gu on the run course.

Am I good with my hydration and nutrition plan? Any suggestions?

No.

Not the same Gatorade Endurance do you use in training will be on course. There is a difference between the powder and the bottle already made. A lot of food coloring and hi fructose corn syrup.

I’m not going to tell you what works best because I don’t know you I just know someone who tried GE endurance ;).

I am using the bottles currently. Not using powder.

What the the differences?

I do not see any reason why it will not work if you are using it in training and transfer that to race. Key is making sure in training you are using it at, and above, race efforts to make sure its still absorbing & tolerable. Just get fluid volumes correct (can change wit air temps) and grams of carbohydrate correct and you should be fine.

Good Luck!

The bottles / on course version do not have High Fructose Corn Syrup … ingredients below.

WATER, SUGAR, MALTODEXTRIN, FRUCTOSE, CITRIC ACID, SODIUM CITRATE, MONOPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, NATURAL FLAVOR, CALCIUM LACTATE, ASCORBIC ACID (TO PROTECT FLAVOR), MAGNESIUM OXIDE, BETA CAROTENE (COLOR)

I do not see any reason why it will not work if you are using it in training and transfer that to race. Key is making sure in training you are using it at, and above, race efforts to make sure its still absorbing & tolerable. Just get fluid volumes correct (can change wit air temps) and grams of carbohydrate correct and you should be fine.

Good Luck!

The bottles / on course version do not have High Fructose Corn Syrup … ingredients below.

WATER, SUGAR, MALTODEXTRIN, FRUCTOSE, CITRIC ACID, SODIUM CITRATE, MONOPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE, SALT, NATURAL FLAVOR, CALCIUM LACTATE, ASCORBIC ACID (TO PROTECT FLAVOR), MAGNESIUM OXIDE, BETA CAROTENE (COLOR)
This ^^^

I don’t think it’s enough calories.

If it is, it’s a lot to drink, there’s no way I could put down that much fluid on the bike in a HIM and not have my stomach sloshing on the run.

I am planning on racing at Musselman 70.3 half Ironman is July. I have never done a race over an Olympic distance and the nutrition & hydration area is a bit of a concern for me. I have purchased a case of Gatorade Endurance and plan to use it primarily on the bike and again on the run at the hydration stops.

My bike has a Torhans 30 oz hydration system and dual rear cage for 2 - 24 oz Gatorade Endurance bottles. I plan to drink the 30 oz in the Torhans and 48 ounces directly out of the Gatorade bottles from my rear cage, thus not ever stopping at aide stations on the bike route. On the run I will use the 4 aide stations for Gatorade Endurance.

My goals times are as follows…which will help determine how much to consume:

Swim: :33
Bike: 2:35
Run: 1:45
Overall: < 5:00

I have used the Gatorade Endurance several times for training rides/runs and enjoy the taste and it agrees with me. My gut is good with liquids, but doesn’t;'t do so well with solids, which is why I am going all liquid for this race. I may grab a few Gu on the run course.

Am I good with my hydration and nutrition plan? Any suggestions?

78 ounces seems like a lot to drink in 2.5 hours

So if 78 oz is a lot to drink on the bike, what would you suggest?

30oz of Gatorade Endurance in aero hydration between bars & just 1 - 24 oz Gatorade Endurance bottle behind the seat. Would you suggest Gatorade Endurance gels (20 G of carbs & 80 calories) for each 1.3 OZ packet? Maybe take 4 of these on the bike? I have a whole case of the these as well and they agree with my GI tract

This is pretty similar to what I do, and have done for every half and full race, for the past 5 or 6 years. For refence, I am about 185 on race day, and tend to be in the 4:45-5:00 time frame.

I do all liquid, so Gatorade endurance, and 2 gu an hour on the bike, and drink Gatorade consistently, and start with my front bta bottle, and on on the back. For a half, especially if its warm, I will try and get a 3rd, maybe a 4th bottle, but that would depend. I tend to try and “over do it” on the bike, as its harder to consume (for me) on the run.

I personally, really enjoy the simplicity of sticking to what is on the course, though I hate orange flavor Gatorade, it makes racing so damn simple to just drink it, and be used to it.

I am planning on racing at Musselman 70.3 half Ironman is July. I have never done a race over an Olympic distance and the nutrition & hydration area is a bit of a concern for me. I have purchased a case of Gatorade Endurance and plan to use it primarily on the bike and again on the run at the hydration stops.

My bike has a Torhans 30 oz hydration system and dual rear cage for 2 - 24 oz Gatorade Endurance bottles. I plan to drink the 30 oz in the Torhans and 48 ounces directly out of the Gatorade bottles from my rear cage, thus not ever stopping at aide stations on the bike route. On the run I will use the 4 aide stations for Gatorade Endurance.

My goals times are as follows…which will help determine how much to consume:

Swim: :33
Bike: 2:35
Run: 1:45
Overall: < 5:00

I have used the Gatorade Endurance several times for training rides/runs and enjoy the taste and it agrees with me. My gut is good with liquids, but doesn’t;'t do so well with solids, which is why I am going all liquid for this race. I may grab a few Gu on the run course.

Am I good with my hydration and nutrition plan? Any suggestions?

My sense is that compared other options Gatorade Endurance is high on sodium, but low on carbs/ calories. I prefer Infinit GoFar. I think in the end what matters is that you test it extensively in your training. If Gatorade works for you, then go for it. FYI, if you end up taking a GU on the run, I’d wash it down with water rather than Gatorade.

Do you use Gu with caffeine? I have heard you should use too much of that on the bike & run.

I tend not to on the bike… 1 hour before the race start, I take caffeine. A lot. about 4-5 mg per kg. Than I redo that about 4 hours later as I believe the half life of caffeine is roughly 4 hours. So, for a half, I take it on the run, during a full, ill take more on the bike, and than on the run as well

78 ounces seems like a lot to drink in 2.5 hours

Is it? If its a hot race, I’ve drank up to 90-100 oz in a 70.3 on the bike.

78 ounces seems like a lot to drink in 2.5 hours

Is it? If its a hot race, I’ve drank up to 90-100 oz in a 70.3 on the bike.

Thank you

That is Amazing.

Maybe I need to rethink my fluid intake

How long does the bike usually take you in a 70.3

78 ounces seems like a lot to drink in 2.5 hours

Is it? If its a hot race, I’ve drank up to 90-100 oz in a 70.3 on the bike.

Thank you

That is Amazing.

Maybe I need to rethink my fluid intake

How long does the bike usually take you in a 70.3

~2:10 bike split depending on the course. I typically take in 700-800 calories on the bike in a 70.3.

This is a good article from First Endurance on hydration. I think it may be extreme on the 21oz/100 cal recommendation. I live in south florida so I have plenty of opportunities to test nutrition on hot days. I’ve had good success with 12-17oz/100 cal. I haven’t tried more mainly because I can’t carry that many bottles nor do I want to stop that often on a ride.

https://firstendurance.com/fueling-strategies-hot-days/

Before a race I’m well hydrated and after a 35 min swim, I’m still fairly well hydrated so I don’t need to catch up or anything.

During the bike I’ll put down 30 to 40 oz of fluid (in 2.5 hrs or less). Any more than that and I’m too full to run.

I’m also fairly small, if you’re significantly bigger I can see how you’d need more.

78 ounces seems like a lot to drink in 2.5 hours

Is it? If its a hot race, I’ve drank up to 90-100 oz in a 70.3 on the bike.

Thank you

That is Amazing.

Maybe I need to rethink my fluid intake

How long does the bike usually take you in a 70.3

~2:10 bike split depending on the course. I typically take in 700-800 calories on the bike in a 70.3.

This is a good article from First Endurance on hydration. I think it may be extreme on the 21oz/100 cal recommendation. I live in south florida so I have plenty of opportunities to test nutrition on hot days. I’ve had good success with 12-17oz/100 cal. I haven’t tried more mainly because I can’t carry that many bottles nor do I want to stop that often on a ride.

https://firstendurance.com/fueling-strategies-hot-days/

Thank you

Wow I definitely need to look at that

In a cool race, 80 or so
I do 1000 calories on the bike and approx 40 ounces of water

I would like to get Dr Alex’s Input on this quote from first endurance

“TIP: In hot conditions we recommend drinking 21oz fluid for every 100 calories. If you know you will only consume 42oz of fluid per hour, then your maximum caloric intake during exercise should be 200. Attempting to force calories in without proper hydration is a recipe for gastric distress, cramping, and poor performance. “

That just seems wrong . So if you are doing 500 calories and hour for a 2.5 hour bike segment you are looking at 210 ounces

I am planning on racing at Musselman 70.3 half Ironman is July. I have never done a race over an Olympic distance and the nutrition & hydration area is a bit of a concern for me. I have purchased a case of Gatorade Endurance and plan to use it primarily on the bike and again on the run at the hydration stops.

My bike has a Torhans 30 oz hydration system and dual rear cage for 2 - 24 oz Gatorade Endurance bottles. I plan to drink the 30 oz in the Torhans and 48 ounces directly out of the Gatorade bottles from my rear cage, thus not ever stopping at aide stations on the bike route. On the run I will use the 4 aide stations for Gatorade Endurance.

My goals times are as follows…which will help determine how much to consume:

Swim: :33
Bike: 2:35
Run: 1:45
Overall: < 5:00

I tried to do a Liquid fuel plan when I was stating out at 70.3 races. I was using ESF it it makes any difference. I was not success on that plan. I would start to fade about 35 miles into the bike leg and the run was a total death march. I found for me I needed more calories than I could get from a liquid fuel plan. Eating a full cliff bar 30 miles into the bike or taking a gel every 20 miles on the bike got me to where I needed to be on bike leg. Taking gels every 30 minutes on the run, and coke from the aid stations when I started to feel the tingling feeling in my legs that I get about 10 minutes before a bonk, helped me get through the run leg.

In addition to the bonks that I experienced in my first 70.3 races I also was getting major leg cramps in the 70.3 races. Some times they would hit after about 45 miles on the bike but they always hit me on the run. Sometime 5-6 miles in, sometime 8-10 miles in, but I could not get through the run with out cramps. I started taking an electrolyte table 30 minute before the swim, ever 20 miles on the bike, and ever 45 minutes on the run and that helped me get through with out cramps.

Racing in July you also might have a very hot day and have to deal with the heat. There are strategies for that. You might have to deal with blisters, chaffing, etc. and there are things that help with them too. There are lot of things that I didn’t know about in my first 70.3. I learned the hard way, but have done enough of them now that I know what works for me.

My goal at my first 70.3 was to go under 5 hours. I didn’t make it . It took me about 3 years before I finally got under 5 hours. When I did my splits were Something like a 45 minute swim, 2:32 bike, 1:32 run. So my goals since then has been to do a 35 min swim, 2:35 min bike, 1:35 min run. It makes it easy to keep track of the splits if that end on the 35 minute mark. :wink:

I got a bunch of the individual Gatorade Endurance packages a some races I did in January and February. I don’t really like the favor but they work just fine. I didn’t look up the calories, carbs, electrolytes in them since I wasn’t using them for an endurance race, but I know that the the ESF that I used in my 70.3 races is way higher on electrolytes. If I were to use the Gator Aid Endurance I would probably need to double the number of electrolyte tablets I took. If the calories are lower I would either mix it thinker or, more likely, just take two cliff bars for the bike at miles 20 and 45 instead of just one at mile 30.

You can use about anything to get to the replacement levels that you need to race well. If you are getting more from your liquids you can go less on everything else. If you are getting less from you liquids you need more from everything else. If you are mixing liquids a lot thinker than the directions that is probably the way to do on a liquid only plan. You just have to remember to get your fluid too and that might be easier to do if don’t have a really thick nutrition bottle to chug down. On hot summer days I have drank a 24oz of fluids in my first 2 miles on the bike and gone through 5-6 water bottles in the saddle. If you don’t do well with solids do the thick water bottle mix. You might not be at odds with all solids though. Some people take chocolate squares, all types of candy, homemade bar mixes, and other non traditional things that they like and can stomach. Use what you like. :slight_smile:

Even Infinit does 200+ calories in a 20oz bottle
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