I agree with everyone else, too many miles. To run faster you have to train faster…
Can you or anyone who has said too many miles actually explainwhy you think that?
And is it impossible for 50-60mpw to co-exist with some faster running?
I guess it’s not necessarily the number of miles, its the pace they’re being run. If you’re training for a 5k and doing repeat miles at a 5k pace, then you’re teaching yourself a race specific tempo, you aren’t getting faster. To get faster you have to train faster. Sprint workouts will help cut time on any distances whether it’s for 5k, 10k, marathon, or whatever.
It may not be impossible to get faster for a 5k at 50-60mpw, but for me I guess it just seems like a bit of an overkill with too many “long runs” to be training for a faster 5k. Instead of investing more miles, I think faster training would be more beneficial. Also don’t forget hill strides, short steep hills or longer less steep hill repeats. They help strengthen your lower back and hips.
Thanks to desert dude for chiming in about the milage. I agree, seeing as I can handle more volume why not train that volume and just structure it diffrently? Can anyone cite a reason on why 50-60 miles is too much? I don’t feel overly tired, I can run hard when I need to and I have the time for trainng, work, and recovery… so why not?
At first you said too many miles, now you guess maybe thats not too many? But you never explained why you think that, which ever it is that you really think.
It’s amazing the thought processes, or lack of, that goes into many these replies. More people posted on this thread thinking out of their ass then actually using their head. Only a few used their heads.
Not to pick on you specifically but you just happened to be the last poster when I saw this thread.
“”““Can anyone cite a reason on why 50-60 miles is too much?””“”" No they won’t be able to.
Here is what you need to do. Read Daniels, then find 2 days per week, the first day devote to doing some Vo2 paced intervals. The second day devote to doing some threshold runs/intervals. At the end of these workouts do some 200-400’s faster then race pace. Daniels explains why and how is his book. Give it 3-4 months, race a bit through that time, but use that targeted 5k to destroy your PB.
Ignore most of the replies in this thread, most people shot from the hip, prematurely ejaculated if you want to frame it differently, instead of thinking about what you really needed to do.
I really dont think he is running too much at all (and frankly if he can handle that, or a bit more, all the better), but i agree that it may not be the best use of time.
If you can run that much, and then start working in some structured faster running, good things should come from it.
i dropped a LOT of time off my 5k with about 6 months of nothing but volume (40-50mpw and dropped from 18:18 down to 16:57), things started slowing down (or rather improvments did), and i dont really have time to run more or even that much with the other two sports, so faster running started coming into play.
i think if you can handle that, and work in a bit more structure, things will come down. once that starts to slow, then its time to think about either adding a bit more volume, or changing something else up.
At first you said too many miles, now you guess maybe thats not too many? But you never explained why you think that, which ever it is that you really think.
It’s amazing the thought processes, or lack of, that goes into many these replies. More people posted on this thread thinking out of their ass then actually using their head. Only a few used their heads.
Not to pick on you specifically but you just happened to be the last poster when I saw this thread.
Like I said, “Instead of investing more miles, I think faster training would be more beneficial.”
The reason I said “I guess it’s not necessarily the number of miles, its the pace they’re being run.” is because I knew there would be people saying “well I run 90mpw and I’m increased my speed blah blah blah” I was just giving my opinion on the subject. I just think that doing more speed work would be better for what he’s training to do.
If he can run 60mpw and still increase his speed and PR, then that’s great. I was just trying to throw in what I thought would be beneficial for trying to increase his speed for a faster 5k.