3T exploro racemax?

anyone riding one of these?

i’m thinking about it as i reorganize my stable to be: 1 dedicated aero tri bike, 1 hardtail MTB, 1 road/cross/gravel bike. i’d likely do the ‘two wheelsets’ trick - something robust with a, say, 35-38mm tire for gravel, and something lighter and more aero with, say, a 28 for the road. definitely would want 2x, and ideally an aero front end.

for me, the racemax looks suitable for my version of gravel, which is generally fireroads or well-graded gravel with asphalt mixed in, off-season training, and a few days of long, not very technical gravel racing. it would also be a good choice for some of the tri racing around me where drop bars are better (draft-legal or really hilly/technical courses). as the kids get a little bit older i’m hoping to get back into some shorter touring/bikepacking, as well.

for long-course and more straightforward tri stuff, i want a real tri bike. currently riding an old soloist from my draft-legal days, but it’s very old and doesn’t fit me terribly well.

for the rare MTB race or xterra, i’ve got my hardtail. it’s also the rig i use to tow my kids in a trailer. it’s a solid bike with good spec and my MTB use doesn’t deserve better.

from what i’ve heard the problems with the exploro have been sorted out - the seatpost is rationalized and the derailleur hanger is too. it’s pricey, i suppose. i’d also probably have to buy new as the second-hand market for them looks small (i’m based in switzerland). otherwise it seems like it ticks a lot of boxes.

so, who’s got one?

anyone riding one of these?

i’m thinking about it as i reorganize my stable to be: 1 dedicated aero tri bike, 1 hardtail MTB, 1 road/cross/gravel bike. i’d likely do the ‘two wheelsets’ trick - something robust with a, say, 35-38mm tire for gravel, and something lighter and more aero with, say, a 28 for the road. definitely would want 2x, and ideally an aero front end.

for me, the racemax looks suitable for my version of gravel, which is generally fireroads or well-graded gravel with asphalt mixed in, off-season training, and a few days of long, not very technical gravel racing. it would also be a good choice for some of the tri racing around me where drop bars are better (draft-legal or really hilly/technical courses). as the kids get a little bit older i’m hoping to get back into some shorter touring/bikepacking, as well.

for long-course and more straightforward tri stuff, i want a real tri bike. currently riding an old soloist from my draft-legal days, but it’s very old and doesn’t fit me terribly well.

for the rare MTB race or xterra, i’ve got my hardtail. it’s also the rig i use to tow my kids in a trailer. it’s a solid bike with good spec and my MTB use doesn’t deserve better.

from what i’ve heard the problems with the exploro have been sorted out - the seatpost is rationalized and the derailleur hanger is too. it’s pricey, i suppose. i’d also probably have to buy new as the second-hand market for them looks small (i’m based in switzerland). otherwise it seems like it ticks a lot of boxes.

so, who’s got one?

I posted this exact topic but titled it “aero-ish cross bike” about a month ago.

I took advice and instead of assuming the Exploros were “gravel going cyclocross road bikes” and found a local one to test ride. Glad I did. The size one I rode was maybe a size small for me, but we raised the saddle. It’s a fantastic bike, but it is NOT a replacement for a cyclocross/road bike in my personal opinion.

The geometry might on paper appear like this shouldn’t be, but the rake/trail of the fork and the BB drop did wind up being a deal breaker for me when I test rode the one I tried. It felt like it would be fantastic for fast less technical gravel riding or lazier less technical road riding. It would have been horrible for cyclocross, personal opinion.

To me, if I were you, I’d got the traditional “multiple wheelset cyclocross bike” route.

I wound up with the 2020 Giant TCX Pro 0. Comes with 40-something mm deep aero wheels and the head tube area now almost looks like a Propel of maybe 7 years ago. I put an aero gravel/cross Enve handlebar on it and a set of carbon ITU bars for training.

Since your gravel is less technical, the Exploro would work fine. But if you fancy off season cross race fun…it’s an absolute deal breaker IMO. My gravel training is Umstead, each lap there’s some fast technical stuff. And I race cross. And my road rides tend to be in town so they are hilly and more technical with corners. So the Exploro was a pass.

So it boils down to:
-you plan to race cross OR do faster group rides: do not buy Exploro
-you plan won’t race cross or do faster group rides: do buy Exploro

Again, fantastic bike, but the handling was a lot lazier than I thought it would be. I don’t mind a hair of rear tire slide when training gravel. Heightens the cyclocross senses.

On the TCX I am running 35mm GK’s with the file tread center then the little shoulders. It’s a silly fast tire/bike setup for mixed road/gravel.

Hey - I have one of these bikes, just rode Unbound with it. I bought it because I was in a little bit of a pickle with gravel bikes and needed something ASAP, was what I could get. I have not had the best experience with it and would not recommend the bike. My specific criticisms are as follows:

  1. ~40c max tire clearance is really ~38c w/ 2x and ~35c if you are going to deal with any mud. I was riding 38c at Unbound, having a pretty good day, then we hit the first mud and the bike took it on, filling the gap between the tire and the seat tube . . . went backwards fast, had to swap to 650b at the first station (after losing ~150 spots). Note the guy who got 5th at Unbound was riding this bike and used 35c tires (he knew what I didn’t, which is that the bike is not great with mud!).

  2. The brake cables entering the top tube in the fashion they do is, IMO, pretty ugly, but also forces you to have a bento box positioned further down the top tube than would be normal. It’s not as aero there, but also I hit my knees there sometimes, so can’t use one with the bike, annoying.

  3. The rear thru axle system uses a nut on the drive side, which is non standard and can be a PITA. For example, my bikepacking rack (Tailfin) utilizes a generic thru axle to mount the rack and requires a special nut to deal with the Exploro. You mention bike packing/touring, so keep in mind that the bike has zero mounts for this stuff (which is common for race focused gravel bikes).

  4. This bike is overpriced relative to comparable offerings. I think MSRP for the frameset is $3100 (I paid whatever it is). Cervelo Aspero, by comparison, is $2500. Not sure what this bike offers that the Aspero doesn’t that would justify >20% price difference.

  5. Seatpost tends towards slipping. I carbon pasted it and learned that I just need to re-tighten (to above torque spec) after any bumpy ride, so have more or less conquered this problem. But if you forget to re-tighten it will loosen and slip on you.

Honestly, the only good things I have to say about this bike are that it’s light and the geometry does suit me pretty well. I can’t judge the aero features of the bike that may be more applicable in road mode, I can see some value to them if that’s important to you. I plan to keep mine mainly as a backup/commuter bike, but just got a CruX to replace it as a race bike. I would consider racing it again if I knew there was very little mud and the roads were good.

I have one too. I don’t ride a ton of gravel, but so far I have been generally pleased. I have the SRAM AXS 1x which allegedly can accommodate wider tires which would otherwise hit the front derailleur, although I haven’t tested it. I have not had issues with the seatpost slipping into the frame, although the clamp that holds the seat to the post is a huge PITA you take it apart while adjusting. The gearing on the 1x is low enough that it would not make a great do-everything road /gravel bike. I would prefer a shimano setup that would work with everything else I have but this is what the shop had in stock. Also the beige/brown/tan color way is not my favorite.

Had mine for a year. I love it.

Does it have a lot of clearance for mud? No. If things are that muddy, I don’t go.
The max tire clearance of 40C/700 is a design choice. If you want wider, you go 650b.

The cable entry. It may not be pretty as integrated bike, but you don’t have to buy a special bike box to transport or take three hours wrenching to change your position.

The other poster mentioned the special nut for a Tailfin. I have a Tailfin and the nut is only $10. Not an issue.
They also mentioned Aspero’s. yeah… no thanks. It’s a nice bike but Cervelo’s have their own quirks.

Seatpost. Yeah, it can slip if not torque correct. I roughed up the post that sits inside the frame and added a bit of electrical tape and it’s solid. Not a huge deal, but I cursed it until I figure this out.

Gearing: I run GRX Di2 48/31, 11-30(road), 11-34(gravel). I hated the gearing limitations of 1x and LOVE this. I only miss out on some top end very limited situations.

I have two sets of wheels. 40c gravel, 28c road. Swapping wheels and pedals takes 10min to switch modes.

Geometry is perfect for racy gravel and slacker road. It’s kinda what I want as an ex-bike racer who ain’t doing crits anymore and wants a little more comfort.

Did some of my regular road routes with the 28’s and I swear it’s no slower than my dedicated aero road bike. Maybe even faster.

If I was to buy this year, I might consider the Exploro Ultra with the extra clearance and round seatpost (dropper compatible!). Not sure about geo differences though.

Sorry, I forgot one other thing . . . the front derailleur on my bike stopped working properly. I couldn’t figure it out . . . would shift sometimes, others refuse to make the leap. Took it to the shop, mechanic starts looking at it . . . derailleur just falls off. The bracket to hold it on broke. Well, that can happen, could have been my fault even if I smacked it somehow. Shop is great, they have two or three of these sitting on the floor . . . just take a bracket off one of those for me. Except it breaks in the process of them taking it off (the brand new unridden bike). So they had to take it off another one! This was like a day before I left for a bikepacking trip . . . if that derailleur had fallen off mid-ride, I would have been in a world of hurt.

Regarding the slipping seatpost, if you haven’t done this already do so. Take the entire thing out, clean and lightly lube (lithium or poly grease) the threads on the bolt for the wedge, that’ll allow you to get an accurate torque on the whole dealio. Have also heard of people sawing part of a seatpost off and using it as a shim to keep the post up but that’s mostly the older models. Where I have issues is with the seat clamp slipping ever so slightly on bumpy stuff.

to OP, I’ve had mine for about a year and a half +/- and mostly love it. It’s definitely more of a race bike and pretty stiff (sort of duh) but the seatpost does a decent job flexing and taking off some of the roughness ( but not a lot IMO). while I have run it 1x for the handful of courses I know I’ll never use the small ring, it came as a 2x.

Happy with the clearance but run 32 and occasionally 35mm at Unbound and similar only going above that with a 650b set for when I don’t really know what I’m in for on my training rides. with this setup I’m running a 2.2 ikon on 27mm internal rims up front and a 47mm wtb something on the back for derailleur clearance. Have a couple sets of wheels but the smallest I run is 28mm Schwalbe pro-speed for the occasional road race/crit. It’s not perfect in most road events but I don’t feel it holds me back at all. A bit twitchy on singletrack but that’s not really a surprise. It’ll likely be my pit bike for cx (w/ 650s) since I don’t really want to fork over more money for something i’m not focused on.

I’d buy it again but ideally I’d have a steel/TI bike for the longer/rougher days.

I broke my FD hanger in a bizarre accident.
Thankfully my shop was able to sort me.
Your experience makes me wonder if they are a bit weak.
However, you want the hanger to break instead of the hanger being ripped out of the carbon frame, so there is that…

If you plan to bikepack, no matter what bike you have, always carry a spare front and rear hanger in your packs.

For those that say it doesn’t have enough tire clearance, 3T released the Ultra version which has space for even bigger tires.

thoughts on this vs. the cervelo aspero? the new grx600 model would come in a good 1500 bucks cheaper than the racemax . . .