Swam some hard SCY 200s the other day, all around 3:02. If I’m trucking I can generally do half mile repeats on the track in the 2:50’s.
Never mind how slow I am, are you generally faster swimming 200s or running half miles? Wondering how it compares for others.
Swimming, but it’s about as close as yours. The biggest difference between the workouts is the day after a few 800s, I’m fried, and the day after 200’s I’m probably really close to recovered.
Haha, this is cool, I think about this all the time in the pool. I would like my 200s to be faster than my 800s, they’re identical right now @ 2:50.
800s BY FAR.
Id be lucky to be in the 3:40 range for a 200 in the pool. My 800 is probably around 2:10 maybe 2:05 all out and im positive I could hold 2:30…but I havent done one in a looooooooong time so thats just guessing.
I’ve found swimming meters tends to translate a lot closer. If I do 200s SCY repeat in the pool they’ll be 2:18-22, whereas SCM is more like 2:35. Running 800m is a tiny bit slower than that, although if push came to shove I could probably do one or two below 2:30 and then die
200 SCY for me is a lot faster. Haven’t raced one in a meet in couple years but at practice constantly go around 2:15-2:20. In a meet I bet I could go 2:05 or so. Id be ecstatic run that pace for even a 400. I think this question comes down to if your a fish or a runner.
Probably pretty accurate for a “balanced” triathlete. I’m more like 2:30 running the 800s and 4:00 for the 200 swim (hence my name).
Fish or Runner?
If this is the bar I’m more of a Fish than a Runner.
I can bring in 200 SCY under 2:50 all day long but I don’t thing I could do the same for 800’s
Swimming … PR from h.s. was 2:04 while run PR is more like 2:19. (So, basically I could never have made varsity at swimming OR running).
25 years later its more like 2:20 swim & 2:30 run.
5 or 6 repeats? 2:35+ w 30+ sec. rest for swimming. I’m sure I can improve that … Running maybe 2:50 w. 2’ rest & I’m only gettin slower …
So many fast people!
For reference, we were expecting to come in closer to 3:20-3:30 and leave on 4:00 (swimming side by side in a lane with a teammate). We ended up still leaving on the :00. I’ve been running my half miles on an indoor track with 7 laps to a half mile. I’ll jog a lap between efforts, which ends up being around :45 rest.
Relative to what I’ve read, that is long rest for swimming and short rest for running.
My fastest 200y swim was 2:26 on a very good day. Fastest 800m run was 2:00 or 2:01.
If you look at WR, a 200M swim is similar to an 800m run. A 400 swim is about the same as the mile. The 1500m swim would be about the same as a 5000m if you adjusted it as a 6000m.
I hope Brian has got you on the Haycraft training plan right now… Chlorine should be your cologne!
I’m 2:09 200scy and while I’ve never done a 800m on a track, I’d be pretty happy with anything under 2:35
If you look at WR, a 200M swim is similar to an 800m run. A 400 swim is about the same as the mile. The 1500m swim would be about the same as a 5000m if you adjusted it as a 6000m.
That’s kind of what I was getting at, if you convert swimming in meters x4, it’s probably going to come out damn close to equal to running. I lean slightly toward the swimmer side of the equation, but my 400 vs 100, 800/200, etc usually tends to all be pretty close. To some degree it’s a gauge if I’m in better run or swim shape at the time
I think I could have swum 1:41 for 200 scy in college. But that is too slow for division 1, so I had to swim distance events instead.
I would not have had that problem if I could run a 1:41 800 m.
In reality, I think 200 M swimming is more comparable to 800 m running. Granted more people can run a 2:20 without training than can swim that fast…But more kids play soccer than water polo. And most people never had to swim a mile to school in the morning, nor went for a 3 mile swim with their family.
I ran a 2:20 off of 0 run training in high school. I doubt I could break 2:25 now. I could still break 2:00 for 200 yds swimming though- faster if I were to train more.
Much faster running. I could do 200 swimming in around 3 minutes. I can still run an 800 a hell of a lot faster than that
800’s 2:40-50, 200 scm 2:15-20 if I am going hard.
200 pr was 1:51 or 52 scm and 1:55 lcm.
I’ve found swimming meters tends to translate a lot closer. If I do 200s SCY repeat in the pool they’ll be 2:18-22, whereas SCM is more like 2:35. Running 800m is a tiny bit slower than that, although if push came to shove I could probably do one or two below 2:30 and then die
That seems about right, or in the ball park. LCM seems a wee bit too tough though - even though someone posted that WR times correspond to the run times. It’s been ages, but, I used to regularly swim SCM. And, at that point my swim was no where near my run. Now I mostly swim SCY and have gotten my swim faster than my run (thanks to age and a running injury). I’ve done what I would not recommend - made my weakness my strength, and let my strength got to h#@* in a handbasket (running). Another stupid trophy for the collection 
But to the point, a FOP triathlete is likely to be kinda close on the two times (and, pretty fast at that).
A little faster running. I could probably manage a 2:15 for a 800M. For a 200scy, maybe a all out effort in 2:20. repeats in 2:35.
The 800M will hurt a hell of a lot more! It feels probably twice as long as 8 laps in the pool.
If I was as good a swimmer as I am a runner, the times would be very very close.
Lets extend that out. I can probably do a 16:45 5k right now. For 1250scy, maybe 17:30. The swim would hurt a LOT… and whole hell of a lot less. HR wouldn’t be within 10 bpm of the 5k effort.
That time gap narrows as the distance goes out and by hte time you get to 2.4 miles, the equivalent would be about 18k. My swim is now about 6-7 minutes ahead of my run. That’s because drag in the water is exponential, so slowing from a 1:20scy pace to a 1:30 pace is a huge drop in effort. That’s going form a threshold effort to a easy swim pace with an 11% drop in speed. While in running it’s about a 20% drop in pace.
A little faster running. I could probably manage a 2:15 for a 800M. For a 200scy, maybe a all out effort in 2:20. repeats in 2:35.
The 800M will hurt a hell of a lot more! It feels probably twice as long as 8 laps in the pool.
If I was as good a swimmer as I am a runner, the times would be very very close.
Lets extend that out. I can probably do a 16:45 5k right now. For 1250scy, maybe 17:30. The swim would hurt a LOT… and whole hell of a lot less. HR wouldn’t be within 10 bpm of the 5k effort.
That time gap narrows as the distance goes out and by hte time you get to 2.4 miles, the equivalent would be about 18k. My swim is now about 6-7 minutes ahead of my run. That’s because drag in the water is exponential, so slowing from a 1:20scy pace to a 1:30 pace is a huge drop in effort. That’s going form a threshold effort to a easy swim pace with an 11% drop in speed. While in running it’s about a 20% drop in pace.
wow, it does get complicated when pace, hydrodynamic vs. aerodynamic drag, plus stroke efficiency (form) and run efficiency (stride) start getting put in the mix. For triathletes, that’s why a comparison of a 50 free and say a 200m sprint (run) are not really relevant. The distance has to get past a certain point for comparisons to mean much. I’d say in the range of 500m (swim) and a 2k run - minimum. Once at those distances pure strength is minimized and the value of a good stroke and cardio output is put to the test. Just my 2 pennies.
When young and in shape I would knock out 20 -40 200s (or whatever they put up on the board) all within a 5 second spread . 20 x 800 ? not so much, so I think the running is harder.