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Re: Israel [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
windywave wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
I am not sure that this has played out the way they envisaged

I think that wanted to be seen as showing no favours, instead of which they have albeit unintentionally (?) drawn an equivalence

We've not seen the evidence for Israel, the evidence for Hamas is clear, but I do not think its beyond the realm of possibility that starvation and targetting civilians have been deliberate and as opposed to Chad and the other apologists here, being a democracy would not prevent one from committing a war crime.....


Care to wager whether the Israeli indictment stands? It ever goes to trial?

Have you paused to ask cui bono from this?


Nobody has been indicted. Kahn filed an application for arrest warrants. ICC judges will now determine whether the evidence provided by Khan is enough to go ahead with formally issuing the arrest warrants, that could take months.

I know they filed the same for leaders of Hamas. I would think given the video evidence they would be a slam dunk.
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Re: Israel [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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svennn wrote:
Nutella wrote:
windywave wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
I am not sure that this has played out the way they envisaged

I think that wanted to be seen as showing no favours, instead of which they have albeit unintentionally (?) drawn an equivalence

We've not seen the evidence for Israel, the evidence for Hamas is clear, but I do not think its beyond the realm of possibility that starvation and targetting civilians have been deliberate and as opposed to Chad and the other apologists here, being a democracy would not prevent one from committing a war crime.....


Care to wager whether the Israeli indictment stands? It ever goes to trial?

Have you paused to ask cui bono from this?


Nobody has been indicted. Kahn filed an application for arrest warrants. ICC judges will now determine whether the evidence provided by Khan is enough to go ahead with formally issuing the arrest warrants, that could take months.

I know they filed the same for leaders of Hamas. I would think given the video evidence they would be a slam dunk.

The case against Hamas appears to be a slam dunk. They basically brag about what they are accused of.

I am not seeing the same for Bibi or Gallant. Israel has a long history of whistleblowers so perhaps they will have some testimony but currently I am not seeing a deliberate strategy of war crimes by Israel.
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Re: Israel [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.bbc.com/...rticles/cp66e6ppzd0o

Blinken indicates support for sanctions against the ICC.

If they go nuclear and lock the members out of the financial system it'll make life hard for them
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Re: Israel [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Recognition of Palestinian State be an interesting few weeks


Just to preempt windy and chad - I know Ireland, Scandanavia are in irrelevance, that this is a move supporting Hamas etc etc
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Re: Israel [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp66e6ppzd0o

Blinken indicates support for sanctions against the ICC.

If they go nuclear and lock the members out of the financial system it'll make life hard for them

Hard to think of a better gift to China, Russia, and other bad actors on the world stage than doing what you want.

But of course you want to provide a gift to them in service of hypocrisy.
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Re: Israel [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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I think the likelyhood of that happening is pretty much zero, it is literally endorsing an end to any restrictions on a countries behavior and the rules based system we have generally all worked within post WWII (irrespective of signing up to the ICC)

Sanctions on the ICC would effectively be carte blanche as there are no other avenues of recourse unless we are expecting the Russian, Chinese and Iranian judicial systems to reign in their bad actors, or even worse we make a determination that the rules apply to them but not to others.

Applying for arrest warrants and getting them are two completely different actions and I doubt very much even the US wants to be seen to pre-emptively threaten an international institution other countries accept unnecessarily.

Of course, this combined with three more countries recognition of Palestine will just bring out the same tired arguments; its not the right time, the process needs to be agreed (the most disingenuous argument ever given that not agreeing is the desired outcome of the current Israeli government and Hamas - in that sense they both agree on one thing), its rewarding Hamas etc

The reality is there will never be an acceptable time for countries to recognise Palestine in the views of Netanyahu, Gvir and Smotrich and their settlers because they fundamentally dont agree it should exist, so without some definitive action - which they will never agree to - nothing will change
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