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I wonder if LCB is skipping San Fran because she is worried about the bike course being very technical.Triathlon Forum
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [JackStraw13]
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Has the course been published?
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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You do realise the contracted athletes only have to race 6 out of 8 races right? LCB not racing San fran is the same as Mathews and Ryf etc not racing Singapore.However she might wish to slip in a 70.3 so she's validated for Taupo: maybe that's why she's missing San Francisco. Not racing from Singapore till London is a very long period of the year not to race. Having said that, the 11 weeks from late September (Ibiza) to Taupo in mid December is set to be a heavy racing block of 5 races an average of less than 3 weeks apart) so taking 15 weeks off is a strategic move. Or maybe SF is a long trip and with two excellent scores she feels the pressure is off.
Or maybe Lucy, after two good results in the series, just wants some period of serious training uninterrupted by travel to prepare London as best as possible?
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Diabolo]
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LCB has said she's concentrating solely on T100, not racing IMs in particular not Nice, and so could race every T100 (at least that was my impression at the launch in London). However she might wish to slip in a 70.3 so she's validated for Taupo: maybe that's why she's missing San Francisco. Not racing from Singapore till London is a very long period of the year not to race. Having said that, the 11 weeks from late September (Ibiza) to Taupo in mid December is set to be a heavy racing block of 5 races an average of less than 3 weeks apart) so taking 15 weeks off is a strategic move. Or maybe SF is a long trip and with two excellent scores she feels the pressure is off.
Looking at last year she did a couple of races in May and 'went away' till Singapore in late August, and the year before (2022) she was injured from New Year and then through rehab + till August. So a long break has precedent.
The idea that she'd be put off by the descent from Presidio on Lincoln Bv or back under the bridge approach is worth ignoring. For example, looking back to 70.3WC 2019 in Nice she lost minimal time descending (having had to stop for a 5 minute penalty for drafting on the way to Vence (btw group was 'tight' up hill when she went past (spectating) me)). Without that penalty she'd have likely finished in #2, beating Lawrence btw.
https://stats.protriathletes.org/...ionship/2019/results
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [dcpinsonn]
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Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [dcpinsonn]
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Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.Is Jack next ?
It would be funny to hear PTN's take on the Ryan's comments.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [dcpinsonn]
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dcpinsonn wrote:
Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.I would doubt that it's due to his criticism.
I don't think they've secured that next funding round that they were looking for, they don't have cash flow from AG race reg that was probably anticipated, and there's a sizable cash outlay from the whole testing pool thing...so my guess is that budget has suddenly gotten *very* tight around those parts.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [dcpinsonn]
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dcpinsonn wrote:
Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.More likely they are hanging on by a thread financially because they have no viable business strategy.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [rrheisler]
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Well, I would imagine any attention that is given to the fact that they aren't pissing away money in a smoke and mirrors game to play catch-the-cheater is resented if they are now having to start pissing away said money just for the optics of playing catch-the-cheater.
I'm not saying they shouldn't drug test. Just saying that the drug testing rarely works on the people who are cheating, as we already suspect, and therefore the main point of the very expensive testing protocols is to essentially threaten athletes with the risk of ruining their careers if they screw up plus the ability to publicly claim you are testing and make your product more credible.
That's an expensive commitment, for what is essentially a veiled threat that requires cheaters to be more organized and some small PR claims that still don't impact the bottom line.
So ya, if I was PTO, and now I'm looking at adding a $500,000 or more line item to my expenditures, I'd be pretty annoyed.
I'm not saying they shouldn't drug test. Just saying that the drug testing rarely works on the people who are cheating, as we already suspect, and therefore the main point of the very expensive testing protocols is to essentially threaten athletes with the risk of ruining their careers if they screw up plus the ability to publicly claim you are testing and make your product more credible.
That's an expensive commitment, for what is essentially a veiled threat that requires cheaters to be more organized and some small PR claims that still don't impact the bottom line.
So ya, if I was PTO, and now I'm looking at adding a $500,000 or more line item to my expenditures, I'd be pretty annoyed.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Lurker4]
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Sure. But I also don't think that they'd run Talbot out of town when he's done more to market the PTO / T100 than, well, they have.
Then again...anything is possible. ;)
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [dcpinsonn]
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dcpinsonn wrote:
Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.They can afford him if he wants to drop his rates, Talbot isn't cheap anymore and he's too good to do things for free.
Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [WhittleFit]
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WhittleFit wrote:
JackStraw13 wrote:
I wonder if LCB is skipping San Fran because she is worried about the bike course being very technical.Has the course been published?
Wrt to the fastest corners: Lincoln Blvd is wide (though two-way so camera and ref motos in the middle) and the bends are gentle. The fastest is the descent above Baker Beach. Not a deterrent to a cyclist like LCB. Jewett, maybe: she'll just be prudent.
Brakes will be tested before the turn off Lincoln Blvd towards Crissy Field.
Shame Ryf will not be well enough to race. At least another wildcard to choose: Visser? She races the Challenge Champs this w/e but would have 3 weeks before T100 SF. Or maybe, like Keulen and Chura, she has already turned one down. Another one for Buckingham?
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [chrisb12]
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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one thing we can put to bed is pto is a closed club
stratman now 15th in the pto ranking without a single pto score.
barnabi in 11th has his pto score as the weakest score.
and nico mann got 90 points in mallorca which is like 5th place in singapore
stratman now 15th in the pto ranking without a single pto score.
barnabi in 11th has his pto score as the weakest score.
and nico mann got 90 points in mallorca which is like 5th place in singapore
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [pk]
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pk wrote:
one thing we can put to bed is pto is a closed club stratman now 15th in the pto ranking without a single pto score.
barnabi in 11th has his pto score as the weakest score.
and nico mann got 90 points in mallorca which is like 5th place in singapore
Think this will be clearer once T100s San Francisco and London have been raced and scores on the doors.
T100 SF start list (amended): https://stats.protriathletes.org/...00/2024/participants
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
WhittleFit wrote:
JackStraw13 wrote:
I wonder if LCB is skipping San Fran because she is worried about the bike course being very technical.Has the course been published?
Wrt to the fastest corners: Lincoln Blvd is wide (though two-way so camera and ref motos in the middle) and the bends are gentle. The fastest is the descent above Baker Beach. Not a deterrent to a cyclist like LCB. Jewett, maybe: she'll just be prudent.
Brakes will be tested before the turn off Lincoln Blvd towards Crissy Field.
Shame Ryf will not be well enough to race. At least another wildcard to choose: Visser? She races the Challenge Champs this w/e but would have 3 weeks before T100 SF. Or maybe, like Keulen and Chura, she has already turned one down. Another one for Buckingham?
Laura Madsen of DK got Ryffs spot. She has challenge championship and then SF. Tight 3 races (won 70.3 valencia).
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro]
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dcpinsonn wrote:
Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.Brooks,
You're right, I can lower my rates, but they've actually been the same for the last three to four years. In fact, with inflation, I should be raising them. When I talk with videographers outside the endurance industry, they can't believe how cheap my rates are. Plus, I have extensive triathlon knowledge and personal relationships with the athletes, which makes it easier for me to get content. I don't need to drop my rates; I need to raise them! Haha.
You're correct, I don't work for free or shoot events for free. That's not a sustainable business model if you're looking to make a living and put food on the table.
Earlier this year, after a chat with the PTO, they planned to take me to all the PTO events in North America. However, due to budget cuts, they decided to cut me from PTO San Francisco but are taking Nils Nilsen, an incredible photographer and videographer. Most of you have seen his amazing work with ROKA, Ventum, Ironman, and more. I love Nils and hope to reach his level someday. I can assure you my rates are much, much cheaper than his. This is the life of a contractor: you're always replaceable, whether by better talent or someone cheaper.
I'm all good if the PTO cut me for so-called "budget" reasons, but I can assure you that's not the case. If they cut me for speaking up for clean sport and pushing them to get their athletes on a Registered Testing Pool (RTP), then so be it. I care more about the integrity of the sport than making a few extra dollars.
My prices are listed on my website; you can see them here: [Talbot Cox Pricing](https://www.talbotcox.com/pricing). In this category, I charge around $1,000 a day to shoot and edit video. For Miami, I gave the PTO a cheaper day rate since it was multiple days. If you compare this to industry rates, it's actually quite affordable.
Anyway, who really cares? The athletes are on a testing pool now, and we get to watch some epic races. I'll be watching as a fan from afar! :)
Best,
Talbot
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro]
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They can afford him if he wants to drop his rates, Talbot isn't cheap anymore and he's too good to do things for free.I went ahead and asked ChatGpt to give me a prices.
In Miami I charged the PTO a $750 Day rate.
Here is industry standards provided by Chatgpt.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [talbotcox]
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FTR Talbot, I'm not suggesting you do that. Do you want to do my Christmas photos? Because you're way cheaper than my wedding photographer.
Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro]
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FTR Talbot, I'm not suggesting you do that. Do you want to do my Christmas photos? Because you're way cheaper than my wedding photographer.No worries! Haha, I thought you were suggesting I was too expensive! I'll definitely offer a 50% discount if we're both at the same race this year. How about on the beach in Kona? Are you coming? :)
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [talbotcox]
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talbotcox wrote:
If they cut me for speaking up for clean sport and pushing them to get their athletes on a Registered Testing Pool (RTP), then so be it. Based on this and what we heard from Ryan, it may be interesting to do a PTN segment on how the media is treated and if there is an attempt to control the messaging.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [marcag]
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marcag wrote:
talbotcox wrote:
If they cut me for speaking up for clean sport and pushing them to get their athletes on a Registered Testing Pool (RTP), then so be it. Based on this and what we heard from Ryan, it may be interesting to do a PTN segment on how the media is treated and if there is an attempt to control the messaging.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [talbotcox]
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talbotcox wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
dcpinsonn wrote:
Erm, just listened to the latest Pro Tri News Pod & PTO told Talbot that they can't bring him to T100 San Francisco to do content for them due to recent budget cuts. This comes after their deep dive on the # of athletes racing on the T100 Tour who aren't in a testing pool. They have that thin skin that you're willing to lose great content for the mildest criticism? It's barely criticism. It wasn't some sort of condemnation of what PTO is doing. It just encouraged them to think about their testing protocols.Brooks,
You're right, I can lower my rates, but they've actually been the same for the last three to four years. In fact, with inflation, I should be raising them. When I talk with videographers outside the endurance industry, they can't believe how cheap my rates are. Plus, I have extensive triathlon knowledge and personal relationships with the athletes, which makes it easier for me to get content. I don't need to drop my rates; I need to raise them! Haha.
You're correct, I don't work for free or shoot events for free. That's not a sustainable business model if you're looking to make a living and put food on the table.
Earlier this year, after a chat with the PTO, they planned to take me to all the PTO events in North America. However, due to budget cuts, they decided to cut me from PTO San Francisco but are taking Nils Nilsen, an incredible photographer and videographer. Most of you have seen his amazing work with ROKA, Ventum, Ironman, and more. I love Nils and hope to reach his level someday. I can assure you my rates are much, much cheaper than his. This is the life of a contractor: you're always replaceable, whether by better talent or someone cheaper.
I'm all good if the PTO cut me for so-called "budget" reasons, but I can assure you that's not the case. If they cut me for speaking up for clean sport and pushing them to get their athletes on a Registered Testing Pool (RTP), then so be it. I care more about the integrity of the sport than making a few extra dollars.
My prices are listed on my website; you can see them here: [Talbot Cox Pricing](https://www.talbotcox.com/pricing). In this category, I charge around $1,000 a day to shoot and edit video. For Miami, I gave the PTO a cheaper day rate since it was multiple days. If you compare this to industry rates, it's actually quite affordable.
Anyway, who really cares? The athletes are on a testing pool now, and we get to watch some epic races. I'll be watching as a fan from afar! :)
Best,
Talbot
you and gwen the most unfairly treated people in triathlon . i would call youri as he might be able to give you some advise...
you could ask ironman and ask if they could set up an anti doping program in 4 weeks or so ...
anyway we are 100 percent in agreement pto was way too slow.and i guess you did speed them up a week or 2 and maybe even a month or 2 . but there is no way they had not started the process before you.
i think chealse burns with holly had a fair opinion on your doping work in their podcast.
btw i still think pto should honor their agreement with you.
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talbotcox wrote:
If they cut me for speaking up for clean sport and pushing them to get their athletes on a Registered Testing Pool (RTP), then so be it. Based on this and what we heard from Ryan, it may be interesting to do a PTN segment on how the media is treated and if there is an attempt to control the messaging.[/quote
maracg would you prefer to be a boing whistleblower or PTO