I protested against the Vietnam War. It was peaceful. I mean, the protest was peaceful. The War wasn't.

No, I think it's largely useless and possible courses more harm than good much of the time.

Although I might consider it if we could organize something to protest against liars on internet forums.

Somebody is fibbing again. Possibly a mutligenerational problem.

Yeah, not quite, but thanks for playing. Damn hippies were a scourge on society, draft dodging, pot heads.

It's not just that you're a liar, your trolling is weak too. If you're going to beclown yourself here, try at least be more creative and entertaining.

Maybe one of your wives can help you out?

No lies told. Just the truth that from some reason you either can't fathom or you just like to call people liars. No worries, you be you.

Google vietnam war protestors and look at the images. Do they look like hippies?

The Women's March was a worldwide protest on January 21, 2017, the day after the inauguration of Donald Trump as US president. It was prompted by Trump's policy positions and rhetoric, which were considered misogynistic and represented a threat to the rights of women.

"These idiots on these college campuses got me to thinking about protesting in general. We have a right to protest but it must be done properly. Properly means peaceful, not interfering with others and generally just being seen."

No one will care about protests not interfering with others - by their very nature, if they do not cause an issue, no one has to pay any attention. The womens right to vote, end of slavery, british rule in ireland (india, or basically anywhere) were all brought about by protest, in many instances violent.

There are few things that would agitate me enough to get out and do something about them, or to want to make my feelings felt about them other than through a ballot box.

Yes. And we womens were correct.

No, I think it's largely useless and possibly causes more harm than good much of the time.

Although I might consider it if we could organize something to protest against liars on internet forums.

Subway bumped their footlong sandwich price from $5 to $9.99. I chained myself to door until the manager agreed to knock it down by $2.

The local country club started allowing women to apply for membership. I love the womens but could not stand for this so I chained myself to the door until the manager reverse policy and made it a dude only place.

Those were just 2 recent protests. I may have protested against women teachers in the 70's.

At college or somewhere else?

My father was in the ROTC in college and would wear his uniform around campus on days he was required. He said the "hippies" as he called them would yell at him and spit at him while he walked around campus. Shaped a lot of his views on 70's culture and hippies etc.

He later went to Vietnam and served in battle.


Knowing what I know now, I am not sure if I would have been on the side of protesters during vietnam, in the military or just not caring and spending time in the rec center playing bball and chasing girls. I tend to think I would have been against the war and but not very vocal about it.

Yes, those vagina hats were pretty funny. Hope it made the folks feel better and they got some cool pictures.

They were protesting the administration that was poised to, and in fact did, overturn established law and stripped American women of reproductive freedom.

Possibly the most revealing post I’ve seen here in years.

The protest was at the nearby college, but I was not yet in college.

As for your father's stories, yeah, some protesters behaved badly. So did some soldiers.

9.99? That was a bargain. Until it gets to $20 a sandwich you've got nothing to worry about.

The little rascals had the "He-Man, women's hater club". You and al falfa are kindred spirits.

I've never protested nor do I have any desire.

From the outside looking in, I really have no idea what the students want in their protests. The storyline is that they are protesting the war in Gaza with Israel/ Palestine. Are they expecting the combatants to stop the war because American students are getting rowdy on their campuses? I suppose I could look it up but I, sadly, really don't care about a war that far away from here nor do I care about any of those college campuses. I feel that the protesters are doing a terrible job at convincing the common folk (I.E. me) why they should care about their cause.

What can I say other than I strongly disagree with those 'progressives' who thinks the womens belong in a country club and/or classroom.

I haven't, and I generally look at modern protestors as useful idiots.

What I also don't understand is how we (I mean specific to my city in western Canada) can find hundreds of people to shut down major roads/highways in protest of freaking Palestine every week but you know what never sees a protest? The fact that our healthcare system has collapsed and 20% of our province doesn't have access to a doctor. Or that despite declaring a state of emergency over the opioid crisis 8 years ago, we have barely increased our addiction services.

These are issues practically everyone agrees with regardless of party affiliation, and they effect people locally far more than whatever the conflict de jour is in the middle east. We don't even have a significant middle eastern immigrant community here.

At college or somewhere else?

My father was in the ROTC in college and would wear his uniform around campus on days he was required. He said the "hippies" as he called them would yell at him and spit at him while he walked around campus. Shaped a lot of his views on 70's culture and hippies etc.

He later went to Vietnam and served in battle.

Knowing what I know now, I am not sure if I would have been on the side of protesters during vietnam, in the military or just not caring and spending time in the rec center playing bball and chasing girls. I tend to think I would have been against the war and but not very vocal about it.

Subway bumped their footlong sandwich price from $5 to $9.99. I chained myself to door until the manager agreed to knock it down by $2.

The local country club started allowing women to apply for membership. I love the womens but could not stand for this so I chained myself to the door until the manager reverse policy and made it a dude only place.

Those were just 2 recent protests. I may have protested against women teachers in the 70's.

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We started on the parking lot of the clinic but then had to move over to the lot next door when we were told we could not be in the abortion clinic lot. The youth leaders would talk to girls going into the clinic and try to convince them not to go in. It worked on quite a few. Overall, it was a very peaceful protest and maybe it did stop some girls from having an abortion so perhaps it worked. Dated the girl for three years as well so score one for me.

Or is that definition of protesting unrealistic for affecting any real change? If your protest is quiet, out of the way, non violent, and does not interfere with anyone, what is the point?

. Have you ever protested anything?

9.99? That was a bargain. Until it gets to $20 a sandwich you've got nothing to worry about.

The little rascals had the "He-Man, women's hater club". You and al falfa are kindred spirits.

I've never protested nor do I have any desire.

From the outside looking in, I really have no idea what the students want in their protests. The storyline is that they are protesting the war in Gaza with Israel/ Palestine. Are they expecting the combatants to stop the war because American students are getting rowdy on their campuses? I suppose I could look it up but I, sadly, really don't care about a war that far away from here nor do I care about any of those college campuses. I feel that the protesters are doing a terrible job at convincing the common folk (I.E. me) why they should care about their cause.

I played a lot of “Rock Against...” shows in the early 80s: Against Racism, Homelessness, Hunger, Homophobia, Crack, Reagan, Sexism ... you know who made out? Whose lives got better? Whales ... fucking WHALES survive better now than ANY of those other humans

torrey wrote:

There are a lot of stores about Vietnam veterans being poorly treated by the general public, hippies or otherwise. Yes there was pity for those who were drafted, but there was also a national shame at what was seen as wartime atrocities carried about by our troops.

No doubt, but the hippies spitting on vets is nonetheless a trope.

That's incredibly aggressive. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened here or there, but I doubt it was common. SDG makes shit up all the time, and he probably made this up too because he's heard the trope.

Just looked it up.

There's even a Wikipedia page for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_spat-on_Vietnam_veteran

I've never protested nor do I have any desire.

From the outside looking in, I really have no idea what the students want in their protests. The storyline is that they are protesting the war in Gaza with Israel/ Palestine. Are they expecting the combatants to stop the war because American students are getting rowdy on their campuses? I suppose I could look it up but I, sadly, really don't care about a war that far away from here nor do I care about any of those college campuses. I feel that the protesters are doing a terrible job at convincing the common folk (I.E. me) why they should care about their cause.

And AL Bundy had No Ma'am...

I have read that the protests were primarily against the draft and once that was suspended protest activity dropped off. The press up to about 1968 apparently reported largely favorably against the war.

LBJ how many kids have you killed today. So they protested against Nixon and the democrats.

Are you saying YOU have a problem with Amazonian women?

The novel covers Theseus's travels to the lands of the Amazons, his elopement with their war queen Antiope, and the war pursued by the Amazons to recover their queen and honor, which leads them to the walls of Athens and to eventual oblivion as a people. Most of the story is told through a series of interlocked flashbacks and recollections by an Athenian girl, Bones; her governess, the captive Amazon Selene; and Bones's uncle Damon, Selene's lover.

You clearly didn't rock hard enough

Are you saying YOU have a problem with Amazonian women?

These idiots on these college campuses got me to thinking about protesting in general. We have a right to protest but it must be done properly. Properly means peaceful, not interfering with others and generally just being seen.

Or is that definition of protesting unrealistic for affecting any real change? If your protest is quiet, out of the way, non violent, and does not interfere with anyone, what is the point?

For example, I suggest the college kids have a right to sit on the lawn, hold signs, chant quietly and have conversations all day about what they believe in. They don't have a right to put up tents, block kids from going to class, graffiti up the school, shout in people's faces, storm buildings, destruct property. However, the first type of protest gets little attention where the second forces folks to pay attention. The second form is not protected, and those folks should be arrested, however. Therein lies the problem for the protestor.

I don't have much of a protesting bone as I think the first form of protest is stupid and accomplishes nothing and the second form that gets attention is illegal.

I have only been involved in one protest and that was when I a youth. I went to a friends church youth group that picketed an abortion clinic. I didn't care much about abortion at the time but there was a hot girl in my friends churches youth group so there I was holding signs, signing songs and picketing the abortion clinic.

We started on the parking lot of the clinic but then had to move over to the lot next door when we were told we could not be in the abortion clinic lot. The youth leaders would talk to girls going into the clinic and try to convince them not to go in. It worked on quite a few. Overall, it was a very peaceful protest and maybe it did stop some girls from having an abortion so perhaps it worked. Dated the girl for three years as well so score one for me.

never been motivated to ever protest anything else in person and can't imagine getting worked up about something in person.

These idiots on these college campuses got me to thinking about protesting in general. We have a right to protest but it must be done properly. Properly means peaceful, not interfering with others and generally just being seen.

Or is that definition of protesting unrealistic for affecting any real change? If your protest is quiet, out of the way, non violent, and does not interfere with anyone, what is the point?

For example, I suggest the college kids have a right to sit on the lawn, hold signs, chant quietly and have conversations all day about what they believe in. They don't have a right to put up tents, block kids from going to class, graffiti up the school, shout in people's faces, storm buildings, destruct property. However, the first type of protest gets little attention where the second forces folks to pay attention. The second form is not protected, and those folks should be arrested, however. Therein lies the problem for the protestor.

I don't have much of a protesting bone as I think the first form of protest is stupid and accomplishes nothing and the second form that gets attention is illegal.

I have only been involved in one protest and that was when I a youth. I went to a friends church youth group that picketed an abortion clinic. I didn't care much about abortion at the time but there was a hot girl in my friends churches youth group so there I was holding signs, signing songs and picketing the abortion clinic.

We started on the parking lot of the clinic but then had to move over to the lot next door when we were told we could not be in the abortion clinic lot. The youth leaders would talk to girls going into the clinic and try to convince them not to go in. It worked on quite a few. Overall, it was a very peaceful protest and maybe it did stop some girls from having an abortion so perhaps it worked. Dated the girl for three years as well so score one for me.

never been motivated to ever protest anything else in person and can't imagine getting worked up about something in person.

I mean, if you were alive during WWII, how would you protest against the Holocaust if you knew it was happening? Do something "quiet and out of the way"?

I haven't, and I generally look at modern protestors as useful idiots.

What I also don't understand is how we (I mean specific to my city in western Canada) can find hundreds of people to shut down major roads/highways in protest of freaking Palestine every week but you know what never sees a protest? The fact that our healthcare system has collapsed and 20% of our province doesn't have access to a doctor. Or that despite declaring a state of emergency over the opioid crisis 8 years ago, we have barely increased our addiction services.

These are issues practically everyone agrees with regardless of party affiliation, and they effect people locally far more than whatever the conflict de jour is in the middle east. We don't even have a significant middle eastern immigrant community here.

I agree - and whether you agree with it or not, many independce movements have succeeded out of a violent struggle - one persons freedom fighter is another person terrorist

the protests on Gaza are a mixed bag with probably a disproportionate and overrepresented minority of anti-semites

I suspect more are anti-zionist / israel but we are seeing a lot of anti semitism

we are also seeing a lot of islamophobia

I am interested to see how this all plays out this time

These idiots on these college campuses got me to thinking about protesting in general. We have a right to protest but it must be done properly. Properly means peaceful, not interfering with others and generally just being seen.

Or is that definition of protesting unrealistic for affecting any real change? If your protest is quiet, out of the way, non violent, and does not interfere with anyone, what is the point?

For example, I suggest the college kids have a right to sit on the lawn, hold signs, chant quietly and have conversations all day about what they believe in. They don't have a right to put up tents, block kids from going to class, graffiti up the school, shout in people's faces, storm buildings, destruct property. However, the first type of protest gets little attention where the second forces folks to pay attention. The second form is not protected, and those folks should be arrested, however. Therein lies the problem for the protestor.

I suggest college kids go to class and learn something. I feel really bad for those parents that spent a LOT of money to send their kid to these Ivy league schools to have their kid suspended the week before finals. I'm guessing they don't get a refund.

That's an expensive decision by the kids to make when some-one else is footing the bill.

I'm sure most of that money is a government loan. Next they will protest to have it forgiven.

I'd think a lot of those kids' parents are footing the bill at Ivy League schools.

I'm not sure what you would be protesting against in the US in regards to the Holocaust?

Arguably, the U.S. isolationism that was in fashion at the time, championed by Woodrow Wilson. Standing by and watching as Jewish people were rounded up and killed. Then as Poland, Norway, Denmark, Britain, Russia, and France were invaded. Concentration camps started around 1934. The attack on Pearl Harbor was late in 1941. A long time to sit on our hands when we knew what was going on.

Yes, multiple ironies with today's protests. But there was arguably ample rationale to protest against the (IMO) pleasant fictions of isolationism. Still alive today with the Trumpian isolationism and Bernie-style isolationism.

To answer the OP. Yes, but not in the context of mass public protest. Trail doesn't do crowds/mobs. I protest through letter-writing. fwiw. With one exception. I participated in a protest/vigil after a right-wing attack on a local synagogue. (my in-person introduction to antifa). I was there more for the vigil part.

I agree - and whether you agree with it or not, many independce movements have succeeded out of a violent struggle - one persons freedom fighter is another person terrorist

I suggest college kids go to class and learn something. I feel really bad for those parents that spent a LOT of money to send their kid to these Ivy league schools to have their kid suspended the week before finals. I'm guessing they don't get a refund.

That's an expensive decision by the kids to make when some-one else is footing the bill.

I wonder how many of the extremists are even college students? It appears that the anarchists who took over the building in Columbia did not even go to school there.

SDG's imaginary kid sent an imaginary text about an imaginary ugly fat chick and bragged about being an imaginary tough guy.....

Your so nutty. He took a few pictures and showed them to me. Not imaginary but damn I didn't need to see that. Some folks must not look in the mirror in the morning. Ugly, fat, purple hair, Karen attitude, and self righteous is no way for lady to go through life eh?

Neither is being full of shit.

Your so nutty. He took a few pictures and showed them to me. Not imaginary but damn I didn't need to see that. Some folks must not look in the mirror in the morning. Ugly, fat, purple hair, Karen attitude, and self righteous is no way for lady to go through life eh?

My kids think for themselves.

It drives me crazy.

SDG you have done a great job training little conformists.

You should be proud!

Was he out walking at UCLA last night?

My kid goes to USC. Most of the protesters were students, and now they all are. This is especially true as the false meme "all of them are non-students!" took hold and became the primary criticism of the protests.

Damn straight I am. I tend to not want my kids thinking for themselves when they are young and impressionable. If they think its a good idea to touch a hot stove, I say don't do that. If they think its a good idea to walk around in traffic, I tell them its not. If they think its a good idea to do Crack, I tell them not to do it.

If they thought it was a good idea to have purple hair, be a fat ass and dismiss their physical health, wear a nose ring, cover themselves with tatoos and be an attention whore and fall for anything that comes along to make them think they are helping the "oppresed" of the world,. I will tell them they are idiots. So far, my kids are pretty good at making decisions when I let them. Two college D1 athletes, one getting a degree in economics with a job waiting after graduation. All much smarter than me academically.

My one son let his facial hair grow out all straggly and stupid looking for a few months because his GF liked it. He tends to love the Latina girls and she said it was great on him. In reality, he looked like a homeless loser thug. I told him he looked like a homeless loser and if ever planned to get a job he may want to think about how he presents himself to future employers. He cut his facial hair the next week. Guess what, the girl still likes him and all is good. Win win.

I crack up at the people that say we are letting our kids make their own decisions and fiture things out. Really, then why the F**k did you decide to become a parent in the first place if you were going to let the kid raise himself?

We have too many kids on these colleges campuses right now whose parents let their kids figure it out on their own. They are the idiots currently protesting and breaking shit and threatening jewish kids.

That is the same thing the students and some faculty said about Columbia. However after actions were take the police who made arrests, the school execs, and Eric Adams announced otherwise, saying there were very many non students there. The Columbia protesters screamed it wasn't true and stick by the all students untruth. The student protesters are either lying of just foolish. Or some of both. There are ads on fucking Craigslist like during the BLM riots to recruit outsiders.

Deputy Commissioner Tarik Sheppard shows the chains used to secure Hamilton Hall at Columbia University.

"This is not what students bring to school. This is what professionals bring to campuses and universities."

Regardless, learning the limits to free speech is a good and valuable life lesson. Jan6 rioters might have advice for college rioters.

No, but we did see that kid on TV and talked about him. It was what actually brought up his question. I suggested the kid on TV should have powered through the idiots and if one of them grabbed him, he then punch them in the face. Hence, that was my advice to my kid.

That kid at UCLA is making a name for himself. I have seen him on two talking head shows and he was giving a speech on campus last night in some other news clip.

But, he should have plowed through the protestors. They have no right to block you from going to class.

What kid, what clip? You might need to post a link. I was referring to the major unrest last night. Did you see any of that?

Not at $66,139 (per quick google search) when some-one else is footing the bill. Hopefully their little "life lesson" comes with a harsh dose of reality that 66,139 is not something to just piss away. You are at school to earn a degree. In a sense its your job, but some-one is paying for it. Protest when you are supporting yourself - not when some-one else is support you.

SDG wrote:

you can find it on google pretty easy. Video shows anti-Israel protesters block Jewish student from getting to class; UCLA responds (msn.com)

I saw NYPD cops arresting some idiots at Columbia and loading them into busses.

The evidence that they were not students is this:



https://x.com/...XKV1ghhjJ-gpfjpVyTqg

Of course the bike lock that the NYPD was presenting as evidence of outside “professionals”, is actually a bike lock Columbia actually sells to students at a discount:

https://x.com/...XKV1ghhjJ-gpfjpVyTqg

Then a reporter pointed out to the NYPD this fact and they just kept pretending this was some crazy thing, even though she was though them university website that shows the discount:

https://x.com/...XKV1ghhjJ-gpfjpVyTqg


So I think we should question the NYPDs statements here, they are either totally incompetent or liars. And neither are something we should trust.

My kids think for themselves.

It drives me crazy.

SDG you have done a great job training little conformists.

You should be proud!

They took people in custody and know which ones are students vs non students. They climbed a ladder and a team entered and cleared the building making many arrests. Cute deflection though. Your "evidence" on these protests has been extremely weak in multiple threads and tantamount to either incompetence or deceptive lying.

Just to be clear you are saying we should believe this organization that is either lying or incompetent?


Because I don’t see why we should believe an organization that is either lying or incompetent.

My kid goes to USC. Most of the protesters were students, and now they all are. This is especially true as the false meme "all of them are non-students!" took hold and became the primary criticism of the protests.

I believe you and the students and their professional handlers are the incompetent liars. So yes, we should not believe them.

I find the current crop of protestors confusing. I am sure they think they are all for free speech but if for instance Jordan Peterson was coming to campus they would try to prevent him speaking. Not that I am a big JP fan although he says some things that are quite brilliant others not so much.

Cheap looking clothes, way too many ear piercings, lots of tattoos, smoking and just total freaks. Who let's their kids grow up to look and dress like that? Do you?

Man, what a scene for the normal kids to be exposed to these freaks. I guess we will need baristas of the future to keep our coffee coming so there is a place for them in the future.

Why is it confusing that someone protesting Israel’s abuse of Palestinians would also protest Jordan Peterson?

That’s not what he said, is it? He said the confusing part is the dichotomy between likely being all for free speech and presumably being against Jordan Peterson speaking on campus.

Why is it confusing that someone protesting Israel’s abuse of Palestinians would also protest Jordan Peterson?

What evidence for “likely being all for feee speech”?

They are protesting for change in school policy, that applies to both cases.

What evidence for “likely being all for feee speech”?

They are protesting for change in school policy, that applies to both cases.

Ok, I presented evidence.


Can you present any evidence?

Protesting Jordan Peterson is one thing. Shutting down campus and creating the situation where the authorities are worried there is going to be violence are two different things.

When I was a medical student despite being opposed to abortion. I went to a talk put on at the medical school where they let Canada's most prominent abortionist speak at length. In fact he was the only speaker. I found the guy quite chilling. But nobody tried to prevent him from speaking or threaten violence.

So are you saying the anti Israel protestors disagree with the principle of free speech. That if Jewish students wanted to advocate for the Israeli gov'ts policy they would say, "They have no right to do that?" That they want the school policy to be Jordan Peterson should not be allowed to speak on campus and that's okay? That school policy is that we get to decide who does and does not get to speak?

Because I think the whole basis of them being allowed to camp out and protest is the idea of free speech. They would be sawing off the branch they are sitting on.

It is not like this has never happened at Columbia in the past and they also have never regretted it:

https://news.columbia.edu/...new-perspective-1968

It is really funny they still have that website up. Just funny to be like, we regret sending violent thugs against student protestors, also we are going to do it again!

Also, if the university was worried about violence, why did they send in the NYPD?

It is not like this has never happened at Columbia in the past and they also have never regretted it:

https://news.columbia.edu/...new-perspective-1968

It is really funny they still have that website up. Just funny to be like, we regret sending violent thugs against student protestors, also we are going to do it again!

Also, if the university was worried about violence, why did they send in the NYPD?

It's been all over live news all fucking day. You are calling the "evidence" lies though. I dont do other people's easy research for them. But you are here in bad faith, and I at least hope you know that. If I'm bored at work tomorrow I may do your own research for you, but only for the readers here as no bit of real evidence will sway your conviction.

The "violent thugs" here are your peoples, the pro hamas thugs that are now confirmed rioters at some campuses. It's hopefully being stopped before it spreads everywhere. Supporting this makes you a "thug". And it makes you a racist.

They only sent the NYPD in after the protestors broke into Hamilton Hall and blockaded themselves inside. What should have been the schools response? I would have sent the police in, had the protestors arrested and if they were students, expelled them from the school.

So you are saying Columbia was right in 1968 to send the cops on students that blockade led themselves in Hamilton hall, even though the university says that was wrong in retrospect?

Ok, your evidence is claims by NYPD. NYPD’s evidence is that they found a bike lock that the university recommends and sells to students as evidence there were professionals involved.

Can you explain how a bike lock that the university sells to students is evidence of non-student involvement? Since you apparently agree. This should be easy to explain.

I guess one other thing is in the 60s the general mass of the population had some sense or respect even awe of the universities as a place where young people could gain wisdom.

Among average people these days I think a university is seen as a place where one can gain the education and credentials to get a good job but not much else. You got into Harvard, great you will make bank. So the social wisdom of the faculty or the students doesn't count for much. .

The "violent thugs" here are your peoples, the pro hamas thugs that are now confirmed rioters at some campuses. It's hopefully being stopped before it spreads everywhere. Supporting this makes you a "thug". And it makes you a racist.

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In my opinion, that's problem with many of the colleges these days.

They are busy telling the kids what to think, not how to think.

How much time do you spend on college campuses these days?

This may come as a shock to old folks but kids have lots of sources of information "these days". The idea that colleges are actually leftist indoctrination camps exists mainly in the right-wing echo chamber.

How much time do you spend on college campuses these days?

This may come as a shock to old folks but kids have lots of sources of information "these days". The idea that colleges are actually leftist indoctrination camps exists mainly in the right-wing echo chamber.

I form my opinion on feedback I get from having a son in college, daughter in public HS, and a wife who has worked in the public school system for 27 years.

I form my opinion on feedback I get from having a son in college, daughter in public HS, and a wife who has worked in the public school system for 27 years.

What have they told you about this indoctrination program?

Unfortunate side effect of insistence that every child should get a college degree. At some point, if everyone gets something, it’s no longer a sign of anything special.

The idea that colleges are actually leftist indoctrination camps exists mainly in the right-wing echo chamber.

How much time do you spend on college campuses these days?

This may come as a shock to old folks but kids have lots of sources of information "these days". The idea that colleges are actually leftist indoctrination camps exists mainly in the right-wing echo chamber.

My wife recently took a teaching position at our university. She has spent most of her career in hospital running a nursing unit, but after finishing her second mat leave took this position to get away from the madness that is our hospital system.

She is about as politically uninvolved as one gets. She doesn't pay attention to it, she just votes for our left leaning party every 4 years seeing as she's a union member and that's what the union tells their members to do.

The onboarding for her new job at the university is a comical distillation of all things currently woke. It's insane. If that's the training/guidance educators are being given, I think it's fair to say that's what is also being passed down to students.

Speaking of gaining wisdom, my youngest told me that it’s good for people to go out into the world & speak to new people & experience new things so that they have an understanding of reality.

Can you explain why you think I am on the NYPDs side?

This is the same training my wife on a regular basis to stay accredited.

After all the DEI and implicit bias training she is afraid to talk to anyone.

This is the same training my wife on a regular basis to stay accredited.

After all the DEI and implicit bias training she is afraid to talk to anyone.

This may come as a shock to you, but all those MAGA nut bags have just as many information resources available to them. However, they, like students, are heavily influenced by the people and authoritative voices surrounding them everyday, which is how they end up with very specific viewpoints despite such and abundance of info. Places like schools, where one segment of people are set up as being authoritative and with power to show the environment, discussion, rules for dialogue, etc. definitely can lend itself to forming the way kids who are still relatively easily influenced think about the world.

Nutella wrote:

I agree that there is ample evidence that there have been outside agitators involved and they actively trying to enflame the situation but they are hardly all "Pro-Hamas". For example this guy, who called Muslims the N-Word while spitting and assaulting them at UCLA, clearly isn't "pro-Hamas". He also is not a UCLA student.

Last night Jewish "protestors" attacked the encampment at UCLA. They chanted "Second Nakba!" while they did it. For those who do not know what that means.

Nakba - Wikipedia

Roughly half of the 282 total people arrested at Columbia and CCNY were not affiliated with the schools, NYPD says
From CNN's John Miller
Out of the total 282 people arrested at both Columbia University and the City College of New York on Tuesday, 134 individuals were not affiliated with either school, according to a New York Police Department official who shared the breakdown with CNN. The remaining 148 individuals did have an affiliation with one of the two universities.
Broken down by school, the numbers skew a bit differently — 80 people arrested at Columbia did have an affiliation with the Ivy League university, while only 32 did not, according to the official. Those numbers represent arrests both inside and outside Hamilton Hall.
At CCNY, the breakdown was flipped —102 people arrested were not affiliated with the school and only 68 were affiliated.
The NYPD said it was able to determine this data by cross-checking records with the universities.

I do think this sort of stuff has a chilling effect at some level. The problem comes if you have a person who isn't giving others the benefit of the doubt and is easily offended.

Where I work we get very little of this sort of training. I think I've done one implicit bias training in all the time I've been here and frankly I thought it was useless. It was so obvious that even if you were a Neo Nazi you'd have to be brain dead not to score as unbiased on the test. Most of our training seems to be around sexual harrassment and that sort of stuff, not DEI.

My wife is currently 3 days in to her onboarding/preparation and they have yet to touch on anything actually related to course work. It's all been DEI. At the start of every meeting, every day, every person has to say their name, make a land use acknowledgement of the ancestral lands the college, or hospital they will be assigned to is on, followed by announcing their pronouns. Every day. Non-negotiable. That is also the expectation at the start of every class, every day. That's also the policy at my kid's schools. Any time a teacher addresses a group of parents or makes an announcement, it is preceded by a land use acknowledgement and their pronouns. My kid knew the land use acknowledgement before learning the national anthem.

That's kind of the textbook definition of indoctrination.

My wife is currently 3 days in to her onboarding/preparation and they have yet to touch on anything actually related to course work. It's all been DEI. At the start of every meeting, every day, every person has to say their name, make a land use acknowledgement of the ancestral lands the college, or hospital they will be assigned to is on, followed by announcing their pronouns. Every day. Non-negotiable. That is also the expectation at the start of every class, every day. That's also the policy at my kid's schools. Any time a teacher addresses a group of parents or makes an announcement, it is preceded by a land use acknowledgement and their pronouns. My kid knew the land use acknowledgement before learning the national anthem.

That's kind of the textbook definition of indoctrination.

the protestors are pushing for the Hamas demands, that Israel be abolished and it become a one state solution with no Israel.

My wife is currently 3 days in to her onboarding/preparation and they have yet to touch on anything actually related to course work. It's all been DEI. At the start of every meeting, every day, every person has to say their name, make a land use acknowledgement of the ancestral lands the college, or hospital they will be assigned to is on, followed by announcing their pronouns. Every day. Non-negotiable. That is also the expectation at the start of every class, every day. That's also the policy at my kid's schools. Any time a teacher addresses a group of parents or makes an announcement, it is preceded by a land use acknowledgement and their pronouns. My kid knew the land use acknowledgement before learning the national anthem.

That's kind of the textbook definition of indoctrination.

That, my friend is apeshit crazy. Little kids taught to recite stuff and feel guilty for the sins of their forefathers. What a great way to build a society.

I can't believe anyone takes that seriously when saying it. "Hi, my name is Bob and I would like to acknowledge the land we are on was taken from somebody, I don't really remember. And also, my name is Bob and I feel like a male today so call me he, him, his, or else I will be offended and report you to the pronoun police here in Canada."

I understand that authority was an important thing where you went to school but the idea that kids are becoming liberals because they are being mass brain washed by teachers is fantasy, especially in high school. Kids are more influenced by TikTok than any of their teachers.

We recite stuff that I do approve of."

You can't make this stuff up.

That's what SDG does every day! He works so hard almost every day to try to convince he's the decision-making paterfamilias that I'm reasonably sure he's a beta using the fantasies he crafts on the internet as the outlet for his frustrations.

Properly means peaceful, not interfering with others and generally just being seen.

In my opinion, that's problem with many of the colleges these days.

They are busy telling the kids what to think, not how to think.

It is apparently quite difficult to teach kids HOW to think.

I make fun of SDG.

That's what SDG does every day! He works so hard almost every day to try to convince he's the decision-making paterfamilias that I'm reasonably sure he's a beta using the fantasies he crafts on the internet as the outlet for his frustrations.

Nutella wrote:

mattbk wrote:

the protestors are pushing for the Hamas demands, that Israel be abolished and it become a one state solution with no Israel.

I am sure there are some protestors that want that, but I wonder if it is the majority? I have seen plenty of protestors calling for peace and a two state solution.

It seems to me that the protestors are not a homogeneous group. Interesting look at the people behind some of them.

Who’s behind the pro-Palestinian protests in the U.S.? (nbcnews.com)

I agree with the NYPD assessment. There were clearly some Black Bloc anarchists involved in the destruction. Those chaos monkeys hide behind legitimate movements to sew their chaos. Ultimately it is the reasonability of the protestors to police the extremists, but it can take some time for people to realize they are being taken advantage of.

Credit to the Jewish Federation Los Angeles for calling out the Jewish extremists who attacked the UCLA protest.

I had to Google "Land use acknowledgement". Basically they have to say that Canada is filled with thieves that stole land.....Manditory talking shit about Canada everyday sounds like Windy's wet dream. I can understand telling people your pronouns at the start of the class......but everyday sounds like a waste of time.

In fairness he has at least 2 wives to deal with, that's enough to reduce most men to a beta.

I agree with this Beta thing.

I am not an alpha either. (More like a lone-wolf)

Me:
"One of my kids played D1 soccer. Both of them studied something practical in school. Both wound up with decent jobs. Neither would have attended a protest. Or would have expressed a radical, independent thought.
I wish they would be a bit more independent!
Maybe with age and wisdom!
At least they broke the yoke of their limiting hometown environment and got away from their overbearing father."

SDG-:
"My kids played D1 soccer. They study something practical. They will get decent jobs. They are free-thinkers because they repeat what I tell them. I am a free- thinker because I repeat what I am told. "Radical and independent thought" that's soo Beta.
Alpha is doing what you are told!!"

Still not sure why folks have kids to let them "figure it out" instead of teaching them what is right and wrong and how to get through life.


the letting them figure out crowd produces fat ass, ugly, purple haired mutants protesting at the 80K a year college they are going to, that is paid for by someone else, and demanding water and vegen food as they barricade themselves into buildings.

But, hey, hope it works out for you.

This is the same across universities in Canada, and pretty much at the start of any public presentation by a member of government. The land use acknowledgement is always some iteration of this:

"I would like to humbly acknowledge the privilege of serving our community on the unceded ancestral territories of the Lekwungen-speaking Peoples, in particular the Songhees and Esquimalt First Nations".

That's taken from the latest email our school sent out, fwiw.

My wife has joked this is spoken so frequently that in her nursing practicum she will have to say "before I perform this emergency intubation, I would like to take a moment to humbly acknowledge...."

Why do you feel people should be forced to state their pronouns at the start of every meeting? Why not leave it up to folks if they wish to announce theirs?

We let our kids "figure it out" because.......


"figuring it out for your self" is what it means to be a free adult, in a democratic society.

Doing what you are told...

Means you are a child.
Or a simpering, pathetic "ass-kiss"..

I want neither of these things for my children.

But you do you...

Or rather, you do what your mommy and daddy and the nice men on TV tell you to do ...

And believe that, that's you...

At least you can talk smack about other fat entitled people...
"they have blue hair!"

At college or somewhere else?

My father was in the ROTC in college and would wear his uniform around campus on days he was required. He said the "hippies" as he called them would yell at him and spit at him while he walked around campus. Shaped a lot of his views on 70's culture and hippies etc.

He later went to Vietnam and served in battle.


Knowing what I know now, I am not sure if I would have been on the side of protesters during vietnam, in the military or just not caring and spending time in the rec center playing bball and chasing girls. I tend to think I would have been against the war and but not very vocal about it.

you have it twisted Buddha. Teaching your kids rules, discipline, life principles etc is not turning them into simpering, pathetic ass kiss. HA!!!!! It is teaching them to be self-reliant, independent, strong, principle driven, family-oriented citizens.

You know how I am right? Take a look at the fat ass, ugly, blue haired, nose ring, tattooed mutants all around college campuses right now. I bet their parents are lot more like you and than me.

Set some boundaries, give some guidance, teach some principles. It's called parenting.

Most countries could do a similar mea culpa. If G.B. were forced to acknowledges their decades of colonialism at each event it would eat up at least 30 minutes.

The only time I ever announced my pronouns was at a Parents of trans kids event 10+ years ago. I don't use it in my emails or Linkedin.

Most countries could do a similar mea culpa. If G.B. were forced to acknowledges their decades of colonialism at each event it would eat up at least 30 minutes.

The only time I ever announced my pronouns was at a Parents of trans kids event 10+ years ago. I don't use it in my emails or Linkedin.

Just to bring this conversation back to the point, do you feel that the behavior I described above would count as indoctrination of left wing ideology in university?

I think forcing someone to publicly profess anything is creepy and Orwellian. It reminds me of something that John McWhorter has said, anti-racism is functionally a religion for its advocates.

You know what it means to be anti-anti-racism, right?

You know what it means to be anti-anti-racism, right?

I think forcing someone to publicly profess anything is creepy and Orwellian. It reminds me of something that John McWhorter has said, anti-racism is functionally a religion for its advocates.

I pledge allegiance, to the flag...

I agree, but it sure isn't conservatives pushing this stuff up here...

I think it's fair to say it's left wing indoctrination. It creates a bias amongst staff and educators are essentially given the choice of getting in line and say the thing they want you to say, or else. What you end up with are people who either believe the same or are too scared to speak up. Then you have a group with a very narrow ideology in charge of imparting knowledge to your students. It's interesting that this is the policy in my kids grade 1 class all the way up to the university course my wife is now in charge of teaching.

I mean if that's not indoctrination what the hell is it.

Exactly.

ThisIsIt wrote:

I think forcing someone to publicly profess anything is creepy and Orwellian. It reminds me of something that John McWhorter has said, anti-racism is functionally a religion for its advocates.

I don't disagree but wouldn't say the pledge of allegiance is particularly a right/left ideological issue.
Are employees and educators at US universities forced to say the Pledge before speaking at every meeting?

I don't disagree but wouldn't say the pledge of allegiance is particularly a right/left ideological issue.
Are employees and educators at US universities forced to say the Pledge before speaking at every meeting?

Had to look him up as I wasnt familiar with him. Looks like your anti-racism mention is from a 2021 book of his? Did you read the book? He has multiple books that look interesting. Might get "Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue" for my English teacher brother. "Nine Nasty Words in the English Language" sound like an interesting read as well.

"According to John McWhorter, the problem is that a well-meaning but pernicious form of antiracism has become, not a progressive ideology, but a religion—and one that’s illogical, unreachable, and unintentionally neoracist."

https://www.amazon.com/...merica/dp/0593423062

Not that I know of. I was forced to say it everyday before school. Not sure schools are doing that so much anymore. Don't think my kids' schools did it?

I would say it's an example of nationalism effectively operating as a religion of a sort. A little too over the top and Orwellian for my taste.

What? I obviously dont think you are on the side of the NYPD or any police for that matter. We all read your crazy rhetoric during the BLM riots where you said the cops were getting what they deserved and that they deserve people to enact violence on them. So not surprising you are on the side of the violence here again.

Whether or not the best way to achieve that is by reciting the Pledge daily, well, I'm not sure.