Youth Training

My 8th-grade son placed 2nd in a youth triathlon yesterday, his second race to date. He raced in the High School group, with 9th-12th graders, so we were pretty impressed with his results: 150 yd swim, 4-mile bike, 1-mile run. 2:20, 1:49, 14:37, 2:15, 7:22 (26:33).

He is scheduled this summer to compete in four Sprint triathlons, one each month starting in June. We have begun looking at the possibility of training/coaching for him, but finding the right program or people in general is proving to be difficult. One thing I have been looking into is the USAT 2012 Junior Triathlon Skills Camp in Norton MA in July. Does anyone have any experience with any of the these USAT training camps? It seems somewhat pricey at $450 for three days of training, but it is within driving distance, and fits into his schedule.

We have joined a local Triathlon club, a USA Swimming club, and a local track club. What other types of youth training could we be considering?

I’d suggest leaving the “coaching” where you have it (local clubs) for this first season and just encourage him to be active and train unstructured for fun. I think the USAT camp is definitely something you should seriously consider. It may seem pricey but it is specifically geared toward youth and focused on developing important skills that most of us never had the opportunity to work on formally when we started. He’ll learn a lot, meet other kids with similar interests, and be a safer young triathlete.

I think if you can afford the clinic cost - then send him. If not, I wouldn’t stress about it either.

We coach a bunch of young kids, some from a private school and some from fairly low SES backgrounds - and everything in between.

If ever the kids come to us and ask about going on a course - if it isn’t a financial decision we say yes pretty much every time. Spending time with other like minded kids, learning new skills etc can only benefit their development within the sport. As a kid I loved going away on coaching clinics and the kids we coach seem to take so much away with them, there’s always something for them to learn.

The way triathlon is going (infact it’s already gone!) the top athletes train as triathletes from very young now, they become experts at tri specific skills like transitioning, tactics, etc. Just listen to Macca’s comments about how fast the ITU guys are transitioning now - they’re the sort of skills these kids are being taught young and that’s where you want your boy if he wants to race. **That’s if HE wants this as well as you - I’m sure you’re not one of ‘those’ parents :slight_smile:

Again - that’s if the $$ aren’t an issue which it’s sounding like is your situation.

That said - if it is a financial decision, then there’s enough knowledge on here to be confident that your son is in good hands if you ask the right people.

The trick with the kids is ‘selling it’ to them, getting them captured and keeping them interested. The kids we coach whose parents are also involved in the sport tend to stick around longer and get to see the gains from training which is generally the carrot. The fact you’re asking these qu’s about your kid suggests he’s in good hands.

My wife wrote a really nice piece for a local magazine on nurturing young talent a couple of months ago, it doesn’t really answer your question…but you might like to read it regardless…

"An athlete recently quizzed me on my style of coaching – and I compared his development to that of a juvenile olive tree - It was one of those ‘off the cuff’ remarks!

The more I reflected on it though the more I realized the development of talent is in fact very similar to the growth of juvenile trees.

In my metaphor I used the example of the young trees we plant up here in Northland, we’re on a windy coastal block with seasonal extremes of wet and dry.

I get a lot of emails from keen parents searching for the next ‘edge’ for their child to get ahead of the crowd. Every time my reply is simple – get them to contact me personally and they can tell me all about themselves.

We’re new to country life – and I’m sure the neighbors still look on us as ‘townies’. But we’ve noticed in that short space of time that our trees need room to move. We stake them for the wind – good support is pivotal in those early years just like talent needs the support of parents, mentors, coaches and friends. But tie the trees too tight and water them in the dry summer months, and you’re setting them up for failure.

If the young olive doesn’t learn to move in the wind, bounce back after a storm and steady itself for the next season – it’s unlikely to develop into a mature fruiting tree. Likewise the young athlete that has no say in her direction, who never experienced adversity and is suffocated with support, will struggle when the winds of life come blowing.

A tree looks great in summer if watered and fertilized, lush green leaves and fast growth will ensue. However take that water away as mother nature invariably will at some point - and the shallow fibrous roots you’ve encouraged will soon dry out. Leave it dry and deep ground roots will eventually find a moist spot.

As a child I had to make my father a coffee at 5.45am – that was the deal. If I wanted him to drive me to swimming there was first a price!

Far too often I hear stories of ‘high performance’ being about what toys you’ve got, an Iphone for logging training, a power meter or heart rate monitor. These tools will never replace desire, resilience, and a commitment to being the absolute best you can be.

Hamish Carter has slept in the transition area of ITU World Cups on more than one occasion, and when he’d finally clawed his way to the top of the sport he was good enough to let this developing athlete and others sleep on his hotel floor from time to time whilst attempting to follow in his footsteps.

I love helping athletes chase their goals. There’s nothing more exciting than someone coming to me who truly wants to win - and nothing more rewarding than working together toward achieving just that. Ultimately though – there’s only one person who can take ownership of those goals – some people will tell you not to sweat the small stuff but in my mind it’s your responsibility to sweat every little detail if you’re serious about chasing dreams."

All the best for you and your Boy.

The trick with the kids is ‘selling it’ to them, getting them captured and keeping them interested. The kids we coach whose parents are also involved in the sport tend to stick around longer and get to see the gains from training which is generally the carrot. The fact you’re asking these qu’s about your kid suggests he’s in good hands.

Thanks for your reply, and for your wife’s story, that is great stuff. I knew that he might be hooked (and it wasn’t all me pushing him) after we walked through Saturday’s race course the weekend before. We rode the bike course together, then walked the run, and afterwards he said “that was a lot of fun, I can’t wait for the race”. How many kids enjoy “practice”?

Money is not the issue on this, the fear I was having was him being overwhelmed with the seriousness of a camp like this. There will only be 25 kids there, from 13-19, so he would be on the younger side of that group. At this stage I want it to be mostly fun, and some serious work, so that he does not get burned by the competition stuff. We are leaning towards the camp, so thanks again for all your input (and TH3-FRB as well).

Get him swimming as much as you can. You’re off to a good start by getting him signed up with the local swim club. Also, if his school has a track/cross country program, get him running on the team. I’d hold off on the camp for another year. Give it some time for this to settle in a make sure he really enjoys it and is gonna stick with it. By next summer it should be obvious.

If the cost is not an issue, I’d definitely send him to the camp. Its good for kids that age to go away to camp and he’ll have alot of fun. The tri stuff he’ll learn is just a bonus. (BTW, $450 for 3 days is about the going rate per day for a decent sports camp).

Assuming the coaches are not complete bozos, high school sports (cross country, swimming and track) are great ways (and often the very best way) way to get quality training and coaching for a kid. Plus, he’ll enjoy high school alot more being on a team.

Its a long shot but there are some areas that have decent youth cycling programs. Check out the local bike clubs and see what they have to offer.

My 8th-grade son placed 2nd in a youth triathlon yesterday, his second race to date. He raced in the High School group, with 9th-12th graders, so we were pretty impressed with his results: 150 yd swim, 4-mile bike, 1-mile run. 2:20, 1:49, 14:37, 2:15, 7:22 (26:33).

He is scheduled this summer to compete in four Sprint triathlons, one each month starting in June. We have begun looking at the possibility of training/coaching for him, but finding the right program or people in general is proving to be difficult. One thing I have been looking into is the USAT 2012 Junior Triathlon Skills Camp in Norton MA in July. Does anyone have any experience with any of the these USAT training camps? It seems somewhat pricey at $450 for three days of training, but it is within driving distance, and fits into his schedule.

We have joined a local Triathlon club, a USA Swimming club, and a local track club. What other types of youth training could we be considering?

Take him to the pool and swim, take him out riding with you, take him out running with you - this has worked for my 2 sons. (they are also on the swim team, but that is just the “team sport” they chose to be on.

And if he is doing “sprint” races - get him in the water a lot. A 150 yard kid swim is a lot different than 800 yard adult swim. My 12 year old has done 2 duathlons with me, and I would not even remotely let him do an audit Tri. He and his younger brother love the distances you mention above and will also be doing a bunch of them once it gets a little nicer up here.

Just my opinion here but that sounds more like the parent’s desires for the kid rather than their own interest. If you have to “sell it” to them and “keep them interested” then maybe it’s not what they’d really prefer to be doing. Personally, with someone this young my suggestion is to support and nurture whatever they are interested in. Encourage them to be active and healthy, teach them about good nutrition and exercise, set a good example yourself and include them in your activities if they are interested.

The trick with the kids is ‘selling it’ to them, getting them captured and keeping them interested.

I don’t think the top end kids need to be sold on training and competing…They desire this already…If they are top end they obviously have talent, but they also have the motivation (drive), and the passion for sports/competing…

People often forget about the passion piece…Just generally love sports (gym rats) and love to compete (and it is fun)…

I see a lot of parents that didn’t have it and they expect their kids to…I don’t think there are to many people that are oppossed to fame and fortune…but this is usually not a strong enough motivator in the long run for most, and is usually what seperates the have and have nots (with repect to athletics)…

Selling it to them - may have certain connotations, maybe I’ve chosen my words wrong (for an American audience anyway) but it’s a term I use with student teachers who come work with me at school on placement.

Kids come to us in coaching & education with lots of different motivations. We were talking about it just last night; at the mo in our squad we’ve got a girl who comes along because she is soft on one of the boys who seems to have alot of talent - she doesn’t. But she brings along her friend and this girl is a really talented bike/runner and we’re trying to keep her involved long enough so we can make some gains on her swim and she gets to see it. So the girl in the middle of the equation is welcomed along to squad just the same as everyone else. Not only because she’s bringing along a talented friend - but because it’s ‘our’ sport and we want as many people as possible to experience it…no point being elitist about it.

So their motivations for coming really don’t bother me - as long as their not disrupting the dynamics of the group, who am I to say why they should come. What I want is them involved in my sport - the sport that I love? I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Now if they chose to go another path that’s fine too - but I’d much rather they be coming to our training than kicking around on the street getting into mischief. It’s not about being pushy - believe me we’ve got enough of that in this town already we see it every morning on poolside. It’s about ‘selling’ the experience to the kids; finding links that excite them and encourage them to come back for another go, and another.

The term ‘selling it’ to them comes from my class room. Kids today (yeah yeah I know I sound old) they just don’t accept knowledge as relevant like my generation did. If I stood up there at the start of the period and just started spouting facts, the kids would disengage very quickly. Kids these days want to know how the knowledge is useful to them first before they’ll commit the energy to it. The trick of the teacher is to ‘sell’ the relevance of it to them.

And that’s what we personally do in coaching the kids too - we sell WHY what we’re doing could potentially be useful to them. Now that might not be because they’re gonna be a Champion triathlete. We’ve got kids who come who have no desire at all to compete - let alone win races. They come for the social aspect, they want to improve their body shape or whatever other reason. Who am I to tell them they’d be better going to another sport…again I want them in my sport. So we find a reason it’s useful to them - and sell them that reason.

I get to see both ends of the spectrum of kids. I teach in a very low socio-economic school, just last Tuesday I was the last teacher to talk to a 14 year old boy who had no interests in life other than getting the shit beaten outa him at home, and then reproducing that behaviour at school. At 3.30 he was sat in my office talking to me, and at 4 he was hanging by the neck from a rope. I truly wish I coulda sold him on triathlon and got him some focus in his life.

If I need to ‘sell’ triathlon to kids because I’m a little older and I can see how involvement in a sport can turn their lives around, I honestly feel quite comfortable doing it.

But being ‘pushy’ I think is a different issue.

Good post…I didn’t read your entire previous post when I replied…and I was referring more to parents “selling”/“pushing” there kids for the wrong reasons! From a coaches perspective I am all about selling your sport,class, or any other experience that you have benifitted from and believe others will help others as well…

of course…as long as the why has the proper perspective (which doesn’t sound like that is even an issue in your case)…

I don’t even have an issue with different coaching styles (as long as it isn’t abusive)…I think a lot of times parents rob kids of their experiences with coaches and teachers…and end up getting in the way of their kids potential…(and I am not saying that the OP is this type of parent, I was just talking in general)

that was the direction I was headed, but certainaly wasn’t a reponse to your posts now that I have read them both…