If my memory is correct, this is a Scapula SP - the CF around the top of the steerer is yellow in color. It has an aluminum crown, but as far as I can tell from lookiing at one up close, it is pure CF at the top of the steerer.
Looking at the picture I linked to I think it must be the yellow ring at the top of the steerer. I’m kind of surprised that he left that on, it’s rather ugly.
The yellow color you are seeing IS the impregnated CF itself.
Fair enough.
Cheers, Greg. That shows it nice and clearly.
Why dont you all let this photo tell the tale of the head tube…
uhhh … unless I am seriously confused, we were talking about the fork
yeah, I got the 02, not the 03 link…then I saw that the 03 was already posted and did not go back as that site is an ActiveX mess.
ok…because you say it…being the ever present knowledge of information that you are…I’ll believe it.
…right after someone convinces me the world is flat ![]()
We could break into the old tig vs fillet vs lugged debate, but we are essentially simply speaking about joining techniques. While a tubed bike (although you physically have to be designing the tubes, not buying from a supplier) CAN be a great engineered product, for the most part, carbon tubed bike makers simply apply their old world artisan craftsmanship to new tube material.
As far as Bob being a boat maker, have you seen old world boat makers in action? Quite a bit different than the composites experts utilizing technology these days (and I dare say RARELY on par with current methods). I sell to small boat makers who have been doing it for years and now finally want to make their boats faster, stronger, better…which tells alot.
…and it’s funny…when I talk to actual engineers from many companies in the bike industry, I have never heard that Bob is “as good as it gets”. I know alot of people who love his products, like him as a person, all of which I have no problem with. He may be an exceptional craftsman (as many handbuilt manufacturers are), but that does NOT equate with engineering. VERY few of them actually define and dictate the tube structures/materials, while most of them simply purchase specific types of tubes for their application.
For the record, good engineering CAN mean something is cool…but in reality, it simply means it is good engineering. However, when you include innovation & design with that engineering, you have terrific new ideas, processes, procedures, and ultimately products…and THAT my friend, is what IMO defines
So…please feel free in your infinite wisdom to define “lugs” in a technically useful way if you’d like (which I am going to assume is going to be extremely detailed why it is more than simply a joining technique). Second, please feel free to enlighten us on YOUR definition of “monococque” (which must be different that monocoque). I have a feeling that it may be different than what is actual industry definition (in which case it may also equate to the definition of “lugged”).
…and yes, as a professional in the engineering/composites industry, I can say pretty much anything I want based on my discussions and experiences
When you peel back the marketing mask many companies utilize (which, you can basically reword that marketing blurb on the Parlee site to fit any bike manufacturer who is transfering their artisan knowledge of steel, al, etc. tubes to cf), one can truly see and understand the differences.
You guys can ruin anything with facts! You have taken my “Porn” and turned it into a Pap Smear.
You’re right, carbon isn’t better than alu, but I have this stuck in my head that groupsets need to be consistent, and I really like the italian stuff and external bearings. I think of matching a frame color to a crankset as a challenge - one that the guy who own’s that Parlee failed (IMO).
You’ve got a real pretty frame, but you already know that.