WTF happened to me yesterday? Timberman post-mortem

My Timberman 2009 went all right for the first 3.5 hours or so, then went to hell on the run in (I think) a nutrition-related way. I’m trying to sort out exactly why.

The background: last year I did the race (my first, and my first 70.3) in a bit over 6 hours. I was hoping to nip in somewhere under that mark this time around; given the training I’ve done this year it seemed realistic.

I went in the 11th wave - with the accident-related delay it was well past 8 before we got going, so we got our share of the heat and then some. My swim was slow but otherwise trouble-free. I was a few minutes slower than '08, but not terribly concerned, since I felt like I left myself in good shape for the bike. The bike went well (it’s what I’m most comfortable with, by far). I avoided any trouble (is it just me, or were there a lot of flats out there yesterday?), took in plenty of water and some Gatorade on the course, sucked down a gel every 45 minutes or so, and felt comfortable enough given the conditions as the heat and humidity got to work. I thought I had left myself enough in the tank.

Then came the run. I got completely cooked on the run last year, and figured there were probably several reasons - pushing a little too hard on the bike, maybe not taking in enough fluids, and certainly just not being fit enough for the distance. Moreover (and this ties in to what happened to me yesterday) last year I was completely, totally exhausted after the race last year; I mean, cannot possibly keep my eyes open at the dinner table, falling asleep by 7 PM, really out of it, passing-out in a fog kind of tired. I felt like I’d been roofied or something (not that that’s ever happened to me!)

I get out of T2 yesterday and start off at a pretty slow pace, figuring I’ll get my legs into it and slowly turn it up if I can later. At this point, even a 10:30 mpm run will probably get me in under 6. I’m not feeling like a million bucks, but I’m ok as I start off running. By mile 4 or so I’m reluctantly thinking I have to walk a bit. That’s when I start to feel downright woozy upstairs…my head bobbing and wobbling around, my eyes wanting to close. I never felt like I was going to collapse physically, and I never cramped (I’ve never suffered muscle cramps, and rarely even a stitch). But I was having a hard time not going cross-eyed and keeping my head up; at this point I’m feeling like trying to run is a very bad idea. Walking at least kept me awake. A good long spell of walking, more water and a gel at the aid station, and I felt slightly more lucid but still kind of loopy. At this point I knew I was coming in well after my goal, but I put finishing the race, by hook or by crook, above ending up in the med tent or DNF.

Around mile 5 I started up a slow jog again and got to the start of the second loop. Shortly after that, I’m forced to walk again, this time with a very nice woman who was also among the walking wounded. She thought, given what I was feeling, that I needed to get some electrolytes in me; I’ve never taken an E-cap in my life, much less in this race, so she may be right here. I popped four of them at the next aid station, kept walking, and a little further on began feeling a lot clearer. Around mile 8 I start my slowish jog again, and for a while even feel somewhat good running-wise, but I don’t push it; I figured that if I’m in some sort of nutrition/chemical deficit, it’s way, way too late to get back to “crank it” mode. I just wanted to get across the line at that point, and I did.

A humbling learning experience.

I’m not an expert in exercise physiology or body chemistry, so I want to know exactly what happened to me yesterday, before I start thinking about how work out my nutrition better and keep it from ever happening again. I’ve been glancing over the various threads on electrolyte replacement during races (the arguments for and against), hyponatremia, etc. Was it a serious deficit of electrolytes or something else that likely did me in?

It was the heat. Don’t overanalyze it, or beat yourself up over it.

Almost everybody got shazambled on the run. Very few exceptions where people ran “well”. Lots of folks who did “well” by only running 8-10 mins slower than a normal fast run split.

I had a dozen ice pop sticks at the finish line, 2 Pepsis, bunch of other stuff, then HUGE Mickey D’s in the car going home, lots of other fluids and food and ice cream and water and all sorts of crap, and I still had only gotten my weight back up last nite, to where it was Sat am.
I was wicked dehydrated.

It was the heat. Don’t overanalyze it, or beat yourself up over it.

Almost everybody got shazambled on the run. Very few exceptions where people ran “well”. Lots of folks who did “well” by only running 8-10 mins slower than a normal fast run split.

I had a dozen ice pop sticks at the finish line, 2 Pepsis, bunch of other stuff, then HUGE Mickey D’s in the car going home, lots of other fluids and food and ice cream and water and all sorts of crap, and I still had only gotten my weight back up last nite, to where it was Sat am.
I was wicked dehydrated.

You are killing me with the eating…my favorite activity on earth, well almost.

I remember after the '92 Gulf Coast Half when it finished in the parking lot of the strip center with a Subway…my buddy and I went in and each ate 2 giant BMT’s…meat orgy. This was the year they cancelled the swim b/c it was so windy the buoys broke loose. Unfortunately our wave was the last to go off b/c they stopped it and made it a duathlon…felt like a 5 mile swim. Maybe half a dozen cookies, then went to the Bud Light truck and had some frosty B’s with Scott Tinley, my mostess favorite personality in the sport…EVER. He is such a cool cat. We sat with him for 30 minutes and just talked about life and laughed our asses off. Lemmie tell ya Scotty boy ain’t afraid to indulge in the suds!

That was also the year when a lot of people said ‘Who in the HELL is this kid, Tim who, DeBoombaa what?’. I remember he was riding one of those SlingShots. He came in just a few minutes behind Jeff Devlin and…well…as Harvey used to say…‘the rest is history’.

We remarked how few athletes (out of a field of 2k!) were in the Beer and Margarita tent when we were there.
I had a raz margarita (kinda mediocre, but cold and wet) and then a Mike’s Hard Lemonade, which in a cup of ice really hit the spot.
Mr. Lovato was happily availing himself - nice to see Pros hanging as regular Joes.

Did the Angus 1/3 lb’er w/ bacon and cheese, L fries, L chocolate shake for dinner in the car. Couldn’t quite finish all of the shake, but the rest slid down very nicely.

That’s why I was shocked when I weighed myself before bed, and it was still only 154 - I musta drank and eaten like 10 lbs of stuff, and only peed maybe twice all day after the race.

hyponatremia, etc. Was it a serious deficit of electrolytes or something else that likely did me in?

I agree it was hot, hotter than it would have been if there had not been an accident.

Perhaps too much gell not enough water on the bike. I belive that heat inhibits calorie absorbtion. I actually cut my calorie intake on the bike to about half of plan and dumped lots of water on myself during the bike and the run. My run sucked (I almost dove into that little marina on the second loop) but not as bad as yours…and I am still dehydrated.

We have a chain down in this part called 5 Guys Burgers and Fries…not sure if they are in all 50 states yet, but we shred that joint after the really long rides. My girlfriend even calls the burgers ‘orgasmic’ so I would not hesitate to push you towards a 5 Guys.

Sorry to degenerate your race topic into a food post, but man oh man as my screen name says…me loves to do sum eatin’!

hyponatremia, etc. Was it a serious deficit of electrolytes or something else that likely did me in?

My run sucked (I almost dove into that little marina on the second loop) but not as bad as yours…and I am still dehydrated.
It’s weird, I felt pretty solid by about 6 PM - good enough to go out for pizza and not lay my head down on the table and sleep (unlike last year). I was asleep by 9 though, and today I feel fantastic - a little leg soreness is all. Being on vacation this week doesn’t hurt.

While heat is a major influence, don’t be too quick to write up your experience to heat alone. I think your question on nutrition is right on. Hammer Nutrition provides some really good, free resources on this subject and they’ve made a big difference for me, especially on the run. Some general rules of thumb, an avg athlete competing over 2 hours needs:

240 - 280 calories an hour
20 -25 oz of water an hour
300 - 600 mg of Sodium Chloride an hour

If you were taking in only one gel with an approx calorie count of 100 calories every 45 minutes, you would definitely head towards a bonk which would be most easily experienced on the run leg. You also mentioned you took on plenty of water and gatorade. If you took more than 25oz an hour, this could actually have helped accelerate your condition rather than help it. Lastly, you rec’d the benefit of sodium chloride when you took the electrolyte tablets which helped bring you back around, but electrolytes alone could not make up for the calorie deficit that had already been built up. Also, interestingly, if you ate a breakfast within 3 hours of your event (which most people do), you are actually setting yourself up for fatigue as well. Eating within 3 hours starts up the digestive system which releases ammonia into your body. Ammonia is a strength robber for your muscles. You’re better off getting the extra sleep and then taking a gel 10-15 minutes prior to your swim start. From there follow your in race nutrition plan.

Recommendation:
For such a long event -
1 gel 10-15 minutes prior to your swim start
A couple of bottles of Hammer Perpetuem (or equivalent meal replacement powder - has 270 calories)
Package of Endurolytes - 1 to 3 capsules prior to event, then 1 to 6 each hour of the event, then 1 to 3 after for recovery (everyone’s different, so you’ll need to play with qty to see what works for you)

Hope this helps.

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It’s weird, I felt pretty solid by about 6 PM - good enough to go out for pizza and not lay my head down on the table and sleep (unlike last year). I was asleep by 9 though, and today I feel fantastic - a little leg soreness is all. Being on vacation this week doesn’t hurt.

Yeah vacation? I am not liking you much right now. I drove back last night and drank every drop of anything in the car to the chagrin of my passengers, but I feel pretty good today regardless. Same thing the legs are a bit sore but otherwise good.

Sounds like you’re heat sensitive. I find 1/2 IM to be the toughest distance mostly because the run comes during the hottest part of the day. I’ve done a dozen or so and always get toasted on the run.

Sounds like you’re heat sensitive.

Funny you should mention that. I’m a bit on the mesomorphic side, at 5’10 and 160-170, built more like a soccer or hockey player (which is what I’ve always been) with short legs, thick quads and calves than a whippet-like runner. They’re an aid to my bike, a detriment to my run. I could stand to lose a few pounds, but I don’t think I’m ever getting down to 140-145, short of a starvation diet. Maybe that doesn’t help me in the heat. I decided to run yesterday in a Craft procool LS top, and I’m pretty sure it actually made things better than they would have been if I’d stayed in my tri-top. At least I didn’t feel as if the sun was beating down on my skin through the run. And a lot less of a sunburn today.

2 x on the heat. I did Devilman half lite early summer late spring this year and it was a unusually hot day. I was not prepared for it. I did the Philly oly and NYC oly and specifically trained in the heat so my body would be ready for it and it was for the most part. I did alot of training in mid afternoon sun and heat. If you did not train to aclimate your body to heat you might want to try it for the next time. Not that I am a expert ( far from it!) But worth a shot.

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It’s weird, I felt pretty solid by about 6 PM - good enough to go out for pizza and not lay my head down on the table and sleep (unlike last year). I was asleep by 9 though, and today I feel fantastic - a little leg soreness is all. Being on vacation this week doesn’t hurt.

Yeah vacation? I am not liking you much right now. I drove back last night and drank every drop of anything in the car to the chagrin of my passengers, but I feel pretty good today regardless. Same thing the legs are a bit sore but otherwise good.

+1 on the vacation. I had to drive 5+ hrs, much in the rain. Bite me. :wink:
Rode back to kdw’s house (in the pouring rain at times, and saw an accident involving a truck pulling a trailer, which hit a Camry, which hit a car w/ tri bikes ON THE BACK. Oh man, what a shitty end to those folks’ day…

His lovely wife invites me to stay for dinner, but I decided heading out was a good idea, while the iced tea was still perking me up a bit. Kyle asks “So, what are we having?” “Swordfish”.
I blew off a swordfish dinner, for Mickey D’s in the car, just so I could get home earlier.

I feel pretty good too, and I think in large part because, I didn’t run very hard.
My run split was about 7-8 mins slower than what I had hoped for, and 11 mins slower than my HIM PB.

My car beverages were: Big SOBE citrus drink, 16oz chocolate milk (started off with a Nestle Cruch ice cream bar - yum!). Then 2 iced teas courtesy of Mrs kdw, then the freaking KEG of chocolate shake from Mickey D’s. And another 2 16 oz glasses of water at home.

**Sounds like you’re heat sensitive. I find 1/2 IM to be the toughest distance mostly because the run comes during the hottest part of the day. I’ve done a dozen or so and always get toasted on the run. **


I’ve completed many halfs and heat is usually a factor on the run. Heat is one thing, but add in some high humidity and that is a different story. Most people train and run in the morning when it is cooler and less humid. You have to train in the middle of the day when it is the hottest. It’s been said many times before, but you need to train in conditions you may encounter on race day - be it heat, rain, wind, etc.

Not to hijack too much…I as well had a terrible run…I attribute much of it to the heat which most North Easterners have not had a lot of this kind of weather this summer…In addition to this i have been injured in the hip since IMLP and have only ran 5-6 times since and no longer than 50 minutes. I have also put on good 5-8 pounds. i just felt flat the entire day since the swim start and the legs never came around…once onto the run there was no fire power what so ever and once I hit the exposed sections of the run I just melted…dizzy, limping, drooling etc. Could not take any fuel other than G-ade and cola and some candy that some stranger handed me. I finished 15-20 minutes slower than projected and bombed straight to lake an sat for 30 mins…skipped the beer garden b/c I was too pissed to be around people and be social…tapped into my own stock of Harpoons IPAs, which too the edge off nicely.
got lucky and got a Clearwater spot which I didnt deserve but that is the nature of it I guess.

+1 on the vacation. I had to drive 5+ hrs, much in the rain. Bite me. :wink:

I have no idea how you guys do it, driving back to southern New England/NYC/NJ right after a race like that. An Olympic, yes -a HIM, no. I go back to southern CT, and I don’t have the energy to be a passenger for that ride on Sunday afternoon, much less drive it myself.

For me, Timberman is a pretext for spending the week at Winnipesaukee before work really gets going (I’m in education - school starts next Monday.) And a week at Winnipesaukee is a pretext for doing Timberman.

We have a chain down in this part called 5 Guys Burgers and Fries…not sure if they are in all 50 states yet

Should be soon - they’re popping up like mushrooms lately. I’ve seen new/coming ones in MD and CT over the past couple weeks, to name but a few places

I said it in my other post, but I believe a LOT OF PEOPLE got overcooked in the swim in all that rubber. The water was way hot. I was overcooking in a sleeveless. That really hurt most of us on the back end of the run.

Just to derail the thread a little further:

We have a chain down in this part called 5 Guys Burgers and Fries…not sure if they are in all 50 states yet
They have a few of them in NYC now, but I just cannot imagine a chain could be any better than than the local joints. Those places have some serious burgers. A few favorites…

Freds
8 Mile creek
Sunburned Cow
Corner Bistro

BTW Mykolas - good effort for finishing.

Dev, I love ya buddy, but - with all due respect - STFU already about the wetsuits being too hot. It’s a statement of your opinion, not of fact.

I was 100% totally comfortable in mine, never once felt hot during the swim, not for a millisecond. If I had, I would have let some cool water in, but there was never a need. Based on HR, I’ve swum much “harder” in races before, so it wasn’t a matter of that either.
I could have opted for the sleeveless top, didn’t see a need.

I’d be happy to post my power file, and you’ll see I really didn’t remotely overbike it either.
Here’s the executive summary: IF .775.

I ran slow 'cuz I wilt on the run when it’s hot and humid. So do about 95% of humans. You happen to be in the 5% who don’t.

What hurt us on the backend of the run, was the insane heat and humidity. (Not having swum in wetsuits 3-4 hours prior).
And it got worse as the afternoon went on, so I really feel bad for the later finishers.