Would you boo justin gatlin?

so justin gatlin has just received his gold medal for the men’s 100m at the world track and field championships. during the medal ceremony he was booed, as he was (much louder) after winning the race.

https://www.theguardian.com/…-world-championships

i can see a few approaches:

-it’s bad form to boo anyone, really
-he shouldn’t be allowed to forget he cheated (twice), and being booed is the price he pays now
-what he did was wrong, but he’s done is time and is free to compete now, so no booing
-his current times at his age (35; the oldest 100m world champ ever) are also dodgy and deserve booing.

so, would you boo him?

and more generally, what do you think about booing an athlete? say at an awards ceremony in a triathlon?

-mike

Yes, I would boo him. And he cheated more than once. He was caught and banned twice.

When asked, gently about it in an interview after his heat, he brushed it off as the crowd simply favoring Bolt and they boo’d him because he’s fast enough to be a threat. Like it was just friendly ribbing about innocent competition. Of course he was not challenged on it and not once in the coverage that I watched did NBC mention his doping history.

I find it tough to get too excited about many track and field athletes. I know most sports are dirty to one extent or another but it seems like top level track and field is really really bad right now.

yeah, definitely - amphetamines and then testosterone. i guess i meant ‘once’ in the ‘once upon a time, in the past’ sense. but thanks, i’ll edit the OP.

seb coe also had a few things to say about it afterward, too. i was surprised at how forthright he was.

I wouldn’t boo him regardless of circumstances.

A friend just shared this on Facebook; a somewhat different perspective:

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/demonising-justin-gatlin/

I think there is a lot of booing to be done in the direction of the IAAF in the context of doping. For this reason I find it hypocritical to boo any athlete over a history of doping while supporting the IAFF by attending the world championships.

If you have a problem with what Gatlin has done change the rules within the sport and put pressure on the federation to get serious about doping. Booing an athlete who is playing within the system is a cheap way of pretending to care without having to address the deeper problems with the system.

Doesn’t a stadium full of booing fans send an embarrassing message to the IAAF? Is that not a form of pressure?

I wouldn’t boo him or any other ‘doper.’ I wouldn’t cheer for them, but no booing. I’ll save all my booing for WWE heels…

In his post race interview with the BBC he said he’s not bothered about the booing as has a lot of support at home.
The British like an underdog but I’m guessing its the fact its twice hes been caught is what tipped it over.
Friends there said the atmosphere in the stadium was fierce!

I wouldn’t boo him regardless of circumstances.

A friend just shared this on Facebook; a somewhat different perspective:

http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/...ising-justin-gatlin/

That is a great article and thanks for sharing. Anyone who reads this thread should read this article. I was about to jump in and say that I never condone cheating, but I cannot confidently say after reading this that I can condemn Gatlin beyond a reasonable doubt.

On the other hand, this guy will be someone I rabidly boo if I ever get the chance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-IjG1P7o4Q

That is a great article and thanks for sharing. Anyone who reads this thread should read this article. I was about to jump in and say that I never condone cheating, but I cannot confidently say after reading this that I can condemn Gatlin beyond a reasonable doubt.

before i get overly persuaded, i think it’s fair to point 2 things out. first, in the testosterone case the writer points out that 1 of the 3 arbitration panelists were persuaded by gatlin’s argument. as i recall in these cases this is the typical find, because the athlete’s side gets to pick 1 of the 3, so does the other side, and then i think they both agree on a third (or something like that). so 1 out of the 3 is an expected arbitration outcome.

second, is this article written by an attorney whose day job is defending athletes who get popped? might want to check that.

yes, i think the 1st bust was pretty borderline. the second, the athlete is claiming sabotage. this isn’t the first time we heard that.

no, i wouldn’t boo him. but no, i wouldn’t cheer him.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to boo someone at a sporting event where the athlete has been cleared to compete he is following the rules of the IAAF. If you don’t like the decision made to clear him to race, write to that organization or do something to help clean up the sport.

Sitting in the stands booing because you read he was twice a drug cheater means nothing and my bet is many doing have no real understanding of why they are booing, other than because the other people sitting near them are booing.

It’s not just Gatlin who doped. Here’s an article of the top 100m performances with the athletes who are associated with doping crossed off:

http://runningmagazine.ca/...s-fastest-100m-list/

The only one left on the list? Some guy named Usain Bolt. Usually when that happens in other sports, people start asking questions…

I wouldn’t boo him, but that’s because I don’t bother to watch world-class track or pro cycling with all the doping that is going on.

The only one left on the list? Some guy named Usain Bolt. Usually when that happens in other sports, people start asking questions…

in 2013 the entire jamaican anti-doping federation quit, all 11 members, because the public had lost confidence in jamaica’s ability to police its sprinters, 6 of whom were popped that year. jamaica’s 2 top sprinters, bolt and shelly-ann fraser-pryce (top woman) made public statements, not against the athletes who got popped (that i ever read) but against the what they felt were their sports federations not sticking up for the athletes (fraser-pryce) or because personal sponsorship deals were being placed in peril (bolt). fraser-pryce herself served a 6mo ban in 2010.

not saying anything’s wrong with bolt! just reminding folks of a little recent history.

I’d boo anyone that finishes ahead of Bolt. My wife’s Jamaican.

Just replying to this thread, but since Dan and I have shared a variety of opinions on anti doping well here goes:

All you guys (including the ones in the stadium) booing Gatlin, did almost nothing to “oppose” Gatlin’s presence at any track meets recently. Everyone is outraged because he actually won. Last time I checked he was racing at Rio Olympics and Beijing 2015 worlds. Either you are against him regardless or outcome or you’re not. Selectively booing when he actually wins just feels hypocrticalDan’s post about Jamaica anti doping officials. See what I posted in the IAAF thread. This entire system is broken. You can’t have people from your own country busting your own athletes. It does not work when Russians are entrusted with busting Russians, Americans entrusted to bust Americans, Brits to bust Brits. You really need foreign nationals doing out of competition on your own athletes. Why? Because if I am a Canadian, if I can find a way to bust the entire Russian or Swedish hockey team, by god, I am going to leave no stoned unturned to legally take out my competition. If I am entrusted to bust the likes of Andre DeGrasse (Rio silver in the 200m, bronze in the 100m) or Sydney Crosby, I’m likely not really going to want to bust my own man. Give me the job to bust the Russian or Chinese doper and give the Chinese guy the job to bust American or Canadian dopers and just watch how many get busted…the problem is out of competition is done by your local guys. We need foreign guys in charge of busting athletes globally in every jurisdiction other than their own.I kind of hated Gatlin until right after Rio. I can’t really pinpoint why I hated him compared to other dopers, but I did. But around the time of Rio, I just felt I was being hypocritical with myself. He did his time, let him race. I got over the protour riders who did their times in the sin bin and watch them noting that they are probably max enhanced under the blood passport. Basically I treat Track, FINA Swimming, Pro Cycling and Pro triathlon as varying degrees of low octane doping vs the high octane NFL and WWE doping. I love Contador as an example if it was not clear from the TdF threads, and I am kind of semi fan of Vino…loved the way he raced, didn’t really love the Kazakh doping regime, but I totally get why they do it. Choice is to be a protour rider with a 7 figure contract, or an infantry soldier, or bricklayer. So Gatlin is in the same club in my viewBolt never testing positive ever is awesome, but if he was busted, I’d be as surprised as if Chris Froome is winning the TdF on bread and water and not doing everything he can get away with under the blood passport. If both of these men test positive, no big deal to me. I am just assuming they probably have not been caught. If they are actually clean and mutants who genetically one in 7 Billion specimen (which Bolt just may well be), well then the fairytale I am watching is actually reality. Whether it is reality or fairytale, I am OK with it.Finally, follow the money. The Caesars want the gladiators to be doped and put on a better show in the Coloseum. Replace Caesar with NFL, UCI, MLB, IAAF, FINA, Premier League…the list is endless. The only reason these leagues pay lip service to doping is because they cannot deal with the negative PR of a free for all at the high school/junior level. Then the sponsor money dries up. So they need to act like they car about anti doping, and throw a few guys under the bus, or slap their hands and make them sit in the sin bin for a short while and then they actually want these athletes back. The higher the collective performances, the better. Beating up on Gatlin is taking out frustrations on the wrong target. The Gladiators, also following the money will do whatever they can to win the prize that they can get away with within the written and unwritten rules. I tried an interesting test at work at a team building offsite and created a game in which it was “easy to cheat” to win. Every team was implicitly given the option to cheat to beat the other teams, but also had the option to play clean. No one was going to get ‘caught’ but it was pretty easy to figure out which teams cheated just based on outcomes. The entire thing happens and the results across the board were too awesome at which point I had to bust the entire set of teams and tell them they all cheated. Everyone laughed, but you could just see the human competitiveness in action for nothing but one upmanship. Add in 7 figures of greenbacks and no policing (or limited policing) and its amazing the behaviours you see from very ethical and professional people. Gatlin’s behavior is identical to a long line of elite athletes with lots of $$$$ at stake. Did you guys ever hear the names Jacques Antequil, Eddy Merckx, Laurent Fignon (edit to remove Hinault) …all with positive drug tests all multiple time winners of the Tour de France?

OK all that to say, the problem is not the athletes…it’s the system and officials in charge we need to take our outrage out on. Or just stop watching big $$$ pro sport. I’m just going to sit back and enjoy the show knowing all these dynamics are at play. I enjoy watching sport too much to turn it off…and hopefully the threat of sponsors walking away form doping scandals is just enough to keep the testing, blood passport and other measures sufficient to keep all parties in check so we just see low octane enhancement.

It’s not just Gatlin who doped. Here’s an article of the top 100m performances with the athletes who are associated with doping crossed off:

http://runningmagazine.ca/...s-fastest-100m-list/

The only one left on the list? Some guy named Usain Bolt. Usually when that happens in other sports, people start asking questions…

I gave some swamp land you would certainly be interested in!

I was quite surprised at the booing and thought it was in prety poor taste for a track and field event, however the Olympic stadium does double up as football (soccer) stadium now so it probably have shouldn’t.

If you guys have time and if you are fans, this video of the post race press conference is really interesting to sit through. I personally enjoyed it. Believe what you want and don’t want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FenWgll0_QM

No, I wouldn’t boo him … likely would cheer him and be fascinated by his performance, just as I would have Usain Bolts’.

The reality is “Clean” sports are non-existent (name the sport, it’s dirty on multiple levels). He got caught, others have not, but the rest are cheating as well, they are either just better at it or their doctors are keeping track of their levels better than others.

Just watched the documentary “Icarus” on Netflix, pretty fascinating stuff with the Russian doping scandal (starts out about doping in cycling, moves to the Russian doping scandal).

In the end … if you are going to boo or single out an individual athlete … why are you watching the sporting event to begin with? They are all doing something on one level or another. Go to watch amazing athletes do amazing things, cheer them on if you want, don’t if you want … but booing them is just stupid knowing how prevalent they are in sports (even obscure, unknown sports).