You want dark ages? How about this: FIFA world cup womens are having their human rights violated.
I was considering starting a thread about this earlier. If you don’t mind then I will go ahead and do so.
I think this is kind of a bullshit case. Sure the men have grass fields at their world cup but they aren’t playing in Canada are they? Don’t think this will work.
You want dark ages? How about this: FIFA world cup womens are having their human rights violated.
I was considering starting a thread about this earlier. If you don’t mind then I will go ahead and do so.
I think this is kind of a bullshit case. Sure the men have grass fields at their world cup but they aren’t playing in Canada are they? Don’t think this will work.
I think the Government should take back the $15 million they committed to hosting it, then… can’t be supporting discriminatory activities, no sir. Back to bake sales, ladies… car washes, lemonade stands… maybe a calendar?
Definitely a calendar.
You messed up this thread. This is not an allegation of discrimination. We’re talking about Human Rights Violations.
Oops! I’m diminishing the struggles of these women. I sincerely apologize.
You messed up this thread. This is not an allegation of discrimination. We’re talking about Human Rights Violations.
Do you know what that term means? Do you understand that, in Ontario, the “court” that hears discrimination cases is called a “Human Rights Tribunal?” Do you understand that the Canadian law that pertains to discrimination is called the Canadian human rights code? Do you understand that the womens are citing FIFA’s and Canadian Soccer Association’s own by-laws that specifically prohibit the differentiation of playing conditions between men and women? Did you read the actual lawsuit?
FIFA and CSA created the rules, then intentionally and expressly violated their own rules, and the womens had the audacity to call them out on it. You want to call out the womens on this one? Really???
Oops! I’m diminishing the struggles of these women. I sincerely apologize.
I won’t repeat what I just wrote to H- but I suggest you read the post as well.
FIFA is one of the most corrupt, fucked up, inbred organizations on the entire planet, who violated their own rules, and you want to call out the womens and belittle the obvious double standard here? Really???
This is one of those days when I heart you JSA.
Putting aside the whole double standard/discrimination issue, what is the problem with playing on artificial turf?
Putting aside the whole double standard/discrimination issue, what is the problem with playing on artificial turf?
I’m not a pro footballer, so, I cannot say from experience at that level. But I have been on turf and natural grass. Turf is slick, often harder, and, according to some studies, more prone to cause injury. If it was acceptable to play on turf, you bet your ass the men would be doing it.
Every single game of hockey played at a reasonable level is played on artificial turf. I don’t know for certain but I believe most games of American football are also played on it. There must be a lot of positives in playing on that type of surface.
I’m a former Australian Rules footballer and that sport is only played on natural grass because of the impact of bodies hitting the ground. In a game like soccer or hockey, when most of the time you are on your feet, a flat, even surface would surely be preferred.
Disclaimer: I’ve never set foot on an artificial turf arena.
You messed up this thread. This is not an allegation of discrimination. We’re talking about Human Rights Violations.
Do you know what that term means? Do you understand that, in Ontario, the “court” that hears discrimination cases is called a “Human Rights Tribunal?” Do you understand that the Canadian law that pertains to discrimination is called the Canadian human rights code? Do you understand that the womens are citing FIFA’s and Canadian Soccer Association’s own by-laws that specifically prohibit the differentiation of playing conditions between men and women? Did you read the actual lawsuit?
FIFA and CSA created the rules, then intentionally and expressly violated their own rules, and the womens had the audacity to call them out on it. You want to call out the womens on this one? Really???
I will be serious and I would appreciate any information you can give me.
I guess am not sure what Human Rights mean. My notion was based along the lines of the UN treaty following the holocaust – fundamental human rights. Things for which there is no defense or rule of reason test (i.e. stone a women for adultery, or sexual trafficking.) In this case, I can understand a claim based on what we in the US call discrimination and breach of contract, so on that, you go girls (I say that with a smile and hope it is not disrespectful).
To help me understand: if the women receive less prize money than the men, is that a human rights violation?
(I wonder if having to play in Canada, instead of Brazil, is itself a human rights violation – wonder if they’d have any redress if the tournament was in Brazil and they were playing on artificial turf).
And more generally, what is a “human right” these days? Any right that can be exercised in law on behalf of a person (as opposed to animal rights)?
Every single game of hockey played at a reasonable level is played on artificial turf. I don’t know for certain but I believe most games of American football are also played on it. There must be a lot of positives in playing on that type of surface.
I’m a former Australian Rules footballer and that sport is only played on natural grass because of the impact of bodies hitting the ground. In a game like soccer or hockey, when most of the time you are on your feet, a flat, even surface would surely be preferred.
Disclaimer: I’ve never set foot on an artificial turf arena.
Top level soccer players are always on the ground, diving into tackles, blocking shots, just falling down from bodies getting tangled, not to mention diving 
Every single game of hockey played at a reasonable level is played on artificial turf. I don’t know for certain but I believe most games of American football are also played on it. There must be a lot of positives in playing on that type of surface.
I’m a former Australian Rules footballer and that sport is only played on natural grass because of the impact of bodies hitting the ground. In a game like soccer or hockey, when most of the time you are on your feet, a flat, even surface would surely be preferred.
Disclaimer: I’ve never set foot on an artificial turf arena.
Every game of hockey I ever played was played on ice. 
The reason that soccer isn’t played on turf is because soccer players are pussies. NFL plays games on turf. Surely soccer players can as well.
Having said that, if FIFA has a rule that all games should be played on grass for men, the same should apply to the womens.
The reason that soccer isn’t played on turf is because soccer players are pussies. NFL plays games on turf. Surely soccer players can as well.
Football players are all but encased in padding; knee, hip, shoulder, etc.
I would guess if they weren’t, they’d play on grass too most of the time.
Baseball players aren’t. Do soccer players hit the turf harder than baseball players who are diving to catch balls?
Are you arguing that soccer players are not pussies?
Baseball players aren’t. Do soccer players hit the turf harder than baseball players who are diving to catch balls?
Are you arguing that soccer players are not pussies?
No just that the others would be a bunch of pussies too when it comes to playing surface if they were routinely slamming into the ground.
You messed up this thread. This is not an allegation of discrimination. We’re talking about Human Rights Violations.
Do you know what that term means? Do you understand that, in Ontario, the “court” that hears discrimination cases is called a “Human Rights Tribunal?” Do you understand that the Canadian law that pertains to discrimination is called the Canadian human rights code? Do you understand that the womens are citing FIFA’s and Canadian Soccer Association’s own by-laws that specifically prohibit the differentiation of playing conditions between men and women? Did you read the actual lawsuit?
FIFA and CSA created the rules, then intentionally and expressly violated their own rules, and the womens had the audacity to call them out on it. You want to call out the womens on this one? Really???
I will be serious and I would appreciate any information you can give me.
I guess am not sure what Human Rights mean. My notion was based along the lines of the UN treaty following the holocaust – fundamental human rights. Things for which there is no defense or rule of reason test (i.e. stone a women for adultery, or sexual trafficking.) In this case, I can understand a claim based on what we in the US call discrimination and breach of contract, so on that, you go girls (I say that with a smile and hope it is not disrespectful).
To help me understand: if the women receive less prize money than the men, is that a human rights violation?
(I wonder if having to play in Canada, instead of Brazil, is itself a human rights violation – wonder if they’d have any redress if the tournament was in Brazil and they were playing on artificial turf).
And more generally, what is a “human right” these days? Any right that can be exercised in law on behalf of a person (as opposed to animal rights)?
The issue appears to be the terminology.
I assume you are American. In the US, we refer to discrimination as “equal rights.” We have the EEOC - Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Most states have an ERD - Equal Rights Division. So, we talk about “equal rights” and say that all people are created equal without regard to protected class like race, gender, religion, national origin, etc. But, in Canada (and many parts of Europe) they call them “human rights.” They say all humans are created equal without regard to protected class. So, in Canada (and many parts of Europe), the anti-discrimination statutes are called “human rights codes” and the tribunals are called “human rights tribunals.”
In the US, we typically apply the term “human rights” to the issues you identify. We apply “human rights” to cases of physical abuse/death, like you say. But, that is our term. The rest of the world has, by and large, adopted our definition of “human rights” when addressing atrocities, but, keep their original definition.
So, when you see “human rights” applied to a case like this, just substitute “equal rights.” If women receive less prize money than men, it is an “equal rights” violation in the US, but, it is a “human rights” violation is Canada (and much of Europe).
Hope that makes sense.
You messed up this thread. This is not an allegation of discrimination. We’re talking about Human Rights Violations.
Do you know what that term means? Do you understand that, in Ontario, the “court” that hears discrimination cases is called a “Human Rights Tribunal?” Do you understand that the Canadian law that pertains to discrimination is called the Canadian human rights code? Do you understand that the womens are citing FIFA’s and Canadian Soccer Association’s own by-laws that specifically prohibit the differentiation of playing conditions between men and women? Did you read the actual lawsuit?
FIFA and CSA created the rules, then intentionally and expressly violated their own rules, and the womens had the audacity to call them out on it. You want to call out the womens on this one? Really???
In Canada there’s no differentiation of playing conditions between men and women for such an event. In 2007 the men’s u-20 World Cup was played in Canada and in 3 of the 6 stadiums it was played on artificial turf. Unless there’s a concurrent men’s World Cup, being held in the same venues as the women’s World Cup, which is played on real grass you can not make an argument for differentiation or discrimination. These stadiums have men’s teams that play in them on a regular basis on the artificial turf.
The fact that men played on natural grass in other countries is irrelevant to Canadian law. You play on what’s available and in Canada in the chosen venues that’s artificial turf for both men and women.
Every single game of hockey played at a reasonable level is played on artificial turf. I don’t know for certain but I believe most games of American football are also played on it. There must be a lot of positives in playing on that type of surface.
I’m a former Australian Rules footballer and that sport is only played on natural grass because of the impact of bodies hitting the ground. In a game like soccer or hockey, when most of the time you are on your feet, a flat, even surface would surely be preferred.
Disclaimer: I’ve never set foot on an artificial turf arena.
Every game of hockey I ever played was played on ice.
The reason that soccer isn’t played on turf is because soccer players are pussies. NFL plays games on turf. Surely soccer players can as well.
Having said that, if FIFA has a rule that all games should be played on grass for men, the same should apply to the womens.
Fact of life: outside of North America field hockey has priority over ice hockey and is referred to simply as hockey while our version becomes ice hockey.