I have a few 89 Bordeaux, Pauillac as well as some nice CA wines like Caymus- Where is a good place on the net to get values, ratings and drinkability (if that is a word)?
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Well only half is true, I wish both were. You can guess which is true
Tim
I will give you $5 a bottle in cash today for the Caymus.
Sold I’ll just add the $1000.00 Shipping and handeling fee/bottle and get it out the dorr today. where should I ship them to?
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I’d start at winepectator.com and see what you can come up with…
Ratings: either Wine Spectator (www.winespectator.com) or Robert Parker (www.erobertparker.com) have online sites complete with release prices, drinking windows & ratings. RP is taken more seriously by the francophiles, and has a better discussion board, but Wine Spectator sells more wine (meaning I would rather get the same points for my wines from WS than RP, as more people read WS). RP is also suffering from a bit of grade inflation lately–his scores on the 89s are probably pretty true to form, as opposed to his reviews over the last 5 years as everyone is making wine to suit his pallet & there are a plethora of high scores.
Values: three types of values: auction, retail, and trade. Best bet for determining retail values is www.wine-searcher.com awesome tool that will give you the high & low retail values from about 2000 wine retailers world-wide. Best way to determine values via auction is to send your list of wines to either Winebid (www.winebid.com) or Zachy’s (www.zachys.com). Some local retailers may buy from you as well, depending on state laws. Trade value is what you would be willing to trade for with other collectors–doesn’t sound like you are interested in this. You could also checkout www.winecommune.com to find out what the bottles are worth, but unless there are bids on a wine, it is probably just someone looking for pie-in-the-sky $$.
Drinkability: never had an 89 Caymus & don’t know shit about California wines, so can’t help you there. 89s are just beginning to enter their drinking window (depending on how they are stored).
FWIW, 89 Bordeauxs are my favorites–didn’t get huge press, so their values are a bit deflated (relative to the 82/85/90), but are drinking beautifully right now. How were they stored & what do you have? I’m always buying these for my own cellar.
Thanks I tried that, but you need to be a memebr to get the info.
Wow great response thanks for your time.
As far as values go really it is for insurance purposes only- you know if the places burns down or we get robbed
FWI my Caymus are 94’s not 89’s, a bit confusing in my original post.
I used to work at a little restaurant in Muncie IN while in college called Foxfires, it was (no longer in existence) own by Jim Davis who writes Garfield the comic strip. Jim is a huge wine guy, for his 50’s birthday in 1995 I and a few other waiters served him all 45’s including Petrus, Chateau Margeaux, Rothschild (don’t know which one) and lot more along with a 45 Fonseca and don’t forget the Louis 13th Cognac. While I was there I picked a few wines at cost for the wine steward who was also one of my best friends. The list isn’t long.
Bordeaux-
1989 Chateau Canuet
Pauillac-
1989 Lafite de Carruades
1989 Chateau Pibran – I had one of the these a year or so ago and it is rock solid
1889 Chateau d’Armailhac
Saint Estephe
1989 Chateau Phelan Segur
Saint Julian
1989 Chateau Branaire-Ducru
1989 Chateau Gloria
Rhone
1990 Domaine Mathieu, Chteaunuf du Pape
All are in, or entering their drinking window. Email me & I’ll give you my ebob & winesearcher password.
1989 Lafite de Carruades
Wine Advocate #85 (Feb 1993) Robert Parker 85 points Drink 1993-2005 $35.00
I lament the fact that few “second” wines actually resemble their more esteemed siblings. Why? As severe as the selection can be for the grand vin, little selection is employed for most second wines as diluted cuvees, young vines, and whatever is tossed into these blends. With that warning in mind, the 1989 is a deuxieme wine that displays some of Lafite’s personality. The vanillin, smoky, lead pencil nose is unmistakable. In the mouth, there is real focus, character, and elegance. This tasty Lafite-look-alike will drink handsomely for 6-12 or more years.
I couldn’t find a few of them as spelling was probably off, so here are the ratings from 1989 with Chateau in them:
1989  <u>Chateau Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape Hommage A Jacques Perrin</u> 100 N/A Early Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau d'Yquem </u> 97 N/A Early Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Rayas Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 97 N/A Early Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 97 N/A Young 1989  <u>Chateau la Font du Loup Chateauneuf du Pape Cuvee Speciale</u> 97 $30.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau Pradeaux Bandol Cuvee Vieilles Vignes</u> 97 $30.00 Early Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Rayas Pignan Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 93 N/A Mature 1989  <u>Chateau Fuisse Pouilly Fuisse Vieilles Vignes</u> 93 $55.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Pradeaux Bandol</u> 93 $20.00 Mature 1989  <u>Chateau d'Aydie-Laplace Madiran</u> 92 $16.00 Mature 1989  <u>Chateau de la Nerthe Chateauneuf du Pape Cuvee des Cadettes</u> 91 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Redortier Gigondas</u> 91 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau des Tours Vacqueyras</u> 91 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau la Rame St Croix du Mont Reserve de Chateau</u> 90 $23.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de Ricaud </u> 90 $18.00 Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape Roussanne Vieilles Vignes</u> 90 N/A Mature 1989  <u>Chateau de la Gardine Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 90 N/A Early Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Simian Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 89 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Doisy-Dubroca </u> 89 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Fuisse Pouilly Fuisse</u> 89 $25.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Chassagne Montrachet Morgeot Vignes Blanches</u> 89 $38.00 Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Margaux </u> 89 N/A Early Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Tayac Cuvee Prestige</u> 89 $20.00 Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Santenay la Comme</u> 88 $22.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau de Gourgazaud Minervois</u> 88 $6.99 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Haut-Fabregues Faugeres Cuvee Selectionee</u> 88 $8.99 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Raspail (Gabriel Meffre) Gigondas</u> 88 N/A Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Fortia Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 87 N/A Mature 1989  <u>Chateau de la Nerthe Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 87 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Mont Redon Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 87 N/A ? 1989  <u>Chateau de Malle </u> 87 N/A Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Haut-Fabregues Faugeres</u> 87 $8.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau du Grand Moulas Cotes du Rhone Villages</u> 87 $9.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau Pitray </u> 87 $6.99 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Chassagne Montrachet Clos du Chateau</u> 87 $35.00 Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau du Montmirail Deux Freres</u> 87 $14.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Tayac Cuvee Reservee</u> 87 $16.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Etang des Colombes Corbieres Cuvee du Bicentenaire</u> 87 $10.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau les Grand Chenes Cuvee Prestige</u> 87 $13.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau Tayac Rubis du Prince Noir</u> 86 $12.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de Jau Cotes du Roussillon Villages</u> 86 $9.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Recougne </u> 86 $8.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Coucheroy </u> 86 $9.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Lamartine Cahors</u> 86 $9.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Saule Montagny</u> 86 $18.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Saule Montagny les Burnins</u> 86 $18.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de Paraza Minervois Cuvee Speciale</u> 86 $7.99 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Grillet Condrieu</u> 86 N/A Past Maturity 1989  <u>Domaines Pochon / Chateau de Curson (Etienne Pochon) Crozes Hermitage Chateau Curson</u> 86 N/A Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape Blanc</u> 86 N/A Late Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau des Vallonieres Cotes du Rhone</u> 86 $7.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau des Fines Roches Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 86 N/A ? 1989  <u>Chateau de Vaudieu Chateauneuf du Pape</u> 85 N/A Past Maturity 1989  <u>Vieux Chateau Certan </u> 85 N/A Mature 1989  <u>Chateau Villespassan St Chinian</u> 85 $5.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Fuisse St Veran</u> 85 $18.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau d'Aigueville Cotes du Rhone</u> 85 $5.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de Cabriac Corbieres</u> 85 $7.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Capitoul Coteaux du Languedoc la Clape</u> 85 $6.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Tayac </u> 85 $7.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Tuilerie Costieres de Nimes Carte Noir</u> 85 $8.99 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Tuilerie Carte Noir (Black Label) Costieres de Nimes</u> 85 $8.99 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Saint-Esteve </u> 85 $5.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau Saint-Esteve Cotes du Rhone Village</u> 85 $8.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Chassagne Montrachet les Grandes Ruchottes</u> 85 $38.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau Milhau-Lacugue St Chinian</u> 85 $6.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Pavillon Rouge du Chateau Margaux </u> 85 $25.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de Ferrand </u> 85 $25.00 Mature 1989  <u>Chateau la Tour du Pech Coteaux du Languedoc</u> 85 $7.50 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de Rochemorin Blanc</u> 85 $15.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau l'Olivier </u> 84 $22.00 Past Maturity 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Chassagne Montrachet les Chevenottes</u> 82 $35.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau Moulin-a-Vent </u> 79 $15.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Chassagne Montrachet les Crets</u> (no rating) $35.00 ? 1989  <u>Chateau de la Maltroye Chassagne Montrachet Premier Cru</u> (no rating) $32.00 ?
You are a closet democrat?
Nothing is too good for the working classes! Including vintage Bordeaux.
I’m a Chateau Petrus guy myself…but in the interests of paying my mortgage every month I drink a lot more Lynch-Bages.