Why?

Why do you do the work that you do?

Would you quit if someone gave you a million bucks, would it take more… or maybe less?

Who would bag it to train and do endurance sports full time like the pros?

Being a finance guy myself I’ve followed Gordo’s change from serious number cruncher to serious pedal cruncher with great interest. He laid out some plan and has followed it with determination and seeming success. It has been motivating and inspiring to follow.

I work with and for clients and business people some of who are successful and some not so, At least in a monetary sense. Some if they won the lottery would chuck it all and off they’d go, others would probably keep doing what they’re doing. There are some who already have the million bucks and work because they have a passion for what they do. Then there are those who have it and are on the same treadmill so many others are - they certainly seem like they could afford to do something else that they could enjoy more. When is enough, enough?

Passionate guy or Treadmill guy both are so interesting to talk to for such different reasons.

Thats it, some idle ramblings while contemplating the coming new year.

1)Why do you do the work that you do?

In my younger days I was quite a carefree spirit. In my early/mid 20’s my main passion in life was automobile racing which I was doing on a low budget level… I applied to chiropractic college at age 27 because it was obvious that Ferrari wasn’t going to hire me to drive one of their Formula One cars.

  1. Would you quit if someone gave you a million bucks,

Yup. I’d take early retirement with no regrets.

  1. Who would bag it to train and do endurance sports full time like the pros?

Nope. I’d probably train a little bit more but I’d also be doing a lot of scuba diving and spending my winters in the Caribbean on my sail boat.

A million dollars is a good chunk of money, but it doesn’t go as far as it used to.

Why do you do the work that you do? My wife is a special ed teacher at a public school. Someone has to make the money in the family. The way I see it she gives back to society and I take away from it its a balalncing Karma issue. BTW I’m a Network Administrator and Software Engineer

Would you quit if someone gave you a million bucks, would it take more… or maybe less?
Two million for me that works out to 50,000 a year for 40 years with no interest
Who would bag it to train and do endurance sports full time like the pros?
With two million I could probably even win my age group, but at the same time I would work on projects that interested me not just ones people are willing to pay for.

First, it would take more than $1 million–a lot more–if you really wanted to support a full-time hobby such as triathlon. There are three young guys from my son’s golf team trying to break in to the PGA and it takes a lot of money (~$100K/yr) to travel, eat, enter events, buy/replace equipment, etc.

Second, if you weren’t going to try to make it as a pro triathlete (just become a member of the permanent leisure class) that (in most cases) quickly becomes a self-absorbed, destructive, unhappy lifestyle. The majority of mega-buck lottery winners wish it never happened to them.

Why do you do the work that you do?
Because I’m good at it and mostly like it and the people I work with. The somewhat flexible schedule, 6 weeks vacation and a little business travel are a plus.

Would you quit if someone gave you a million bucks, would it take more… or maybe less?
Hell yes! I’d even quit if someone just replaced my current salary.

Who would bag it to train and do endurance sports full time like the pros?
I’d train a lot more, but I’d also return to the dojo. And write, and travel.

**Why do you do the work that you do? **

  1. I’m good at it (teaching)

  2. I know quite a bit more stuff than the avr teacher – and can teach many more classes (prof. bio degree, not an education degree)

  3. I can relate well to kids. I bring what they know into contact with what they don’t know, so they learn

  4. It’s not boring. Lot better than working in a lab.

  5. Did I mention the breaks and time off?

  6. I love seeing kids fulfill accomplsihments they “knew they couldn’t do”.

**Would you quit if someone gave you a million bucks, would it take more… or maybe less? **

After all I said above … yes.

Who would bag it to train and do endurance sports full time like the pros?

Can I start today?

Wow, Good question. It seems like there have always been two paths. I think we had a thread like this a while ago.

Follow the path before us- the “normal” thing to do. Go to school, get the degree, get the job, get the mortgage, get the house. Boom, you’re done. You’ve succeeded and you’re successful.

Having not taken that path I can say it has often seemed pretty attractive: Health insurance, paycheck every other Friday, The big company taking care of you. Come in every day at 8 and be out by 4 or 5. Weekend’s off, paid sick days, vacation days, time off for holidays. Pure cake. Of course, there is boredom, the indignation of being “normal” or “average”, the chronic sameness and lack of accomplishment and/or acknowledgement that I hear 9-5’ers complain about.

What’s the other path? It’s the one you make by yourself. It is scary and difficult and there is no one there to catch you when you fall- and you will fall, that is guaranteed. Fall? People will try to take you down. People will steal from you, lie to you, rip you off, sue you for bullshit- everything you have they will try to take. You are like an animal outside of the herd: Vulnerable and responsible for your own safety. But there is honor in that- and honor is something people don’t value much these days. There is something to be said for turning the key in the lock at night and going home knowing you did a good job- or at least you survived. And if you did a bad job, you can come back in the next day and try to fix it (or, more likely, stay all night to fix it before tomorrow). The rewards can be great, but so are the risks.

There is a saying from ancient Rome: “Better to live one day as a Lion than a hundred years as a lamb.” I firmly believe that. But not everyone does- and that’s good.

There are huge rewards to this lifestyle though:
This year I will have raced on all seven continents. I am told less than 100 people in the world have done that. I have climbed the three highest mountains on three continents and climbed Mt. Rainier 7 times. I’ve raced in the desert, on the ocean, in Antarctica, through the mountains and the densest jungles on earth. I’ve seen sunsets the rest the rest of the world will never see, and learned a lot along the way. I’ve visted over 35 countries. You don’t get that doing the 9-5 thing. There are a ton of benefits, that is just the tip of the iceberg. I also occaisionally make a decent living, but not always. These past two years, since 9/11/2001, have been universally poor in retail and the bike industry. We’ve still had growth, but it has been expensive and difficult, and we didn’t always make money during these last two years. Prior to that it was like printing money.

But the sacrifices for owning your own business like mine and taking this “alternate” path are huge. I loved a girl who was a 9-5er. I loved her more than anything, for a short time she may have loved me too, I don’t know. We tried to make a go of it and it didn’t work. She needed a 9-5er like her with a mortgage, a cushy job and all that stuff. That is what she valued: Pools, hot tubs, sprinkler systems, alarms in her house and automatic garage door openers. I often said to her, “You’ve made better decisions than me” especially when things were really hard for me. She was the kind of person that, when things were hard for me, she wouldn’t be there. She would seek the path of least resistance. Eventually one day she just gave me the “We need to chat.” and I was gone. We had a ton of problems during our relationship, no doubt. She was constantly certain I was cheating on her. The irony is, I never was. I went out with one other girl during the time we were toether and kissed her casually, but then sent her an e-mail the next day saying what I had done wasn’t appropriate and I shouldn’t see her anymore. My 9-5 girl went nto my e-mail, found that e-mail and blew a gasket. Things were never the same. We were always on again/off again from then on. It was a living hell except for the good times, which were great. I never knew what to expect. One day- sweet as anything, the next day: “This is over because you had lunch with someone”.

Anyway, in the end she left because I didn’t own a big house and have a big car and big mortgage and come home every day at 5 and have weekends off. She immediately latched onto a guy she had been seeing behind my back (who I introduced her too from our bike club) and went to Ironman with him- the Ironman we were supposed to do together. She just replaced me with someone with a big house, more money, more time. She has since kicked him to the curb and is on to someone else. Again. I’m sure for her, this guy is “Mr. Right”, just like all the others before him, including me.

This isn’t a judgement of her. I am bitter because she lied to me for three years and said “We’ll always be together” and “I would take you in if you showed up on my porch with just your cats.” But in the end, that was all a lie. She really wanted someone more like herself. It would have been better if she said so from day one.

Here’s my point: 9-5ers (like her) and “alternate pathers” (like me) don’t mix. Since there are 100,000+ 9-5er’s for every one “alternative pathers” the chances that you will be lonely as an “alternative pather” are pretty high. My Mom, in her ultimate wisdom, put it succintly: “You have nothing to offer a woman.” That is another factor in owning your own business. Girls might think its cool at first, but no matter how honest you are about how difficult it is they will live in denial until one day they wake up and say “This isn’t for me, I want a normal guy.”

So, another benefit of the “average guy” path is you can find an average girl (of which there are thousands), “settle down” (God, I hate that term) and have the white picket fence.

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t spend a lot of time being lonely. At 42 years old, it is likely that this part of my life will go unfulfilled: The part where you have a meaningful relationship with another person. I haven’t even bothered dating anymore since this last break-up except for a girl I saw three times and then just stopped calling. I wasn’t into her and I knew it wouldn’t go anywhere anyway.

So, if you are thinking about what it is like to make a living like this, I guess it is like anything else. It alternately is great and sucks. Just a different flavor. I alternately love it and sometimes it is pretty hard and lonely. But it is what I do and mostly I do a pretty good job. So here I am.

Tom… I’m not on here enough to know… but is that the LONGEST post ever on this forum?! LOL!

My dad was a doctor, and from 1959 to 1993 had not missed a day of work until he had surgery to replace a congenitally defective heart valve. Five years earlier he had hernia surgery which he personally scheduled for Saturday morning, and then checked himself out, against his doctor’s will, on Sunday evening so he could get back to work.

He was born in 1922, and was part of what Tom Brokaw calls the “Greatest Generation”, and his answers would be that he did what he did because he loved it, and no money could cause him to give up his job.

Me… I was born in 1961… a baby-boomer… and I love my job, but if you gave me maybe 3 million, I’d leave it in a heartbeat.

Two different generations.

Hey, you got me started. I was cleaning my office and saw this thread… Besides, I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.

My post follows yours… I think you mean Paul got you started. Regardless, my kids call me “chatterbox” but I suspect you’d give me a run for my money, LOL!

Always enjoy your posts, though.

"He was born in 1922, and was part of what Tom Brokaw calls the "Greatest Generation…baby-boomer… Two different generations.’

My dad will be 80 soon. He’s a former air force pilot/aeronautical engineer but has never stopped working since he retired from the military thirty years ago. He doesn’t need to work, but has his own engineering firm/machine shop with my brother and still puts in long hours designing on his computer. In contrast I could retire to a life of leisure tomorrow if that was economically possible.

Great posts!! We are an introspective lot to say the least.

I work for a gentleman who is 83 still comes in every day or nearly every day, certainly money is not an issue, he loves his work, it is who is.

You know I told my boss the other day that I would take a 50% cut in pay if I didn’t have to show up.
As to Tom D. Repete after me Admit to nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations, and don’t leave a trail.
I don’t think Tom that that relationship was going anywhere any way. The once the jealosy thing gets in there or if your sig. other thinks there is something is going on it is the start of the end. Do you really think you are better or worse off without her? I know that is a tough one for you as you have mentioned it more than once. Aloha G

I sell stuff b/c I can really sell stuff. Once you learn your and your competitors stuff inside and out sales is agreat job with a fair degree of flexibility.
I think 1million tax free lump sum could tide me over and i would retire. But I can’t imagine not working at something so I’d do something 2-4 days per week, part time.
To train full time? Been there done that, I may be able to go fast but not that fast, found that out. Training full time sounds great, eat sleep train. but it is physically and mentally more demanding than most realize.
Happy holidays

Here’s my point: 9-5ers (like her) and “alternate pathers” (like me) don’t mix. Since there are 100,000+ 9-5er’s for every one “alternative pathers” the chances that you will be lonely as an “alternative pather” are pretty high. My Mom, in her ultimate wisdom, put it succintly: “You have nothing to offer a woman.”<<

I totally agree with you on the two types of people and yes, they don’t mix so well. I do have to disagree with your mother. You have nothing to offer to many women. You’d have a lot to offer to the right one. That’s the hard part–finding her.

Thanks Cathy, that’s kind of you to say. My Mom, bless her heart, is a 9-5er brought up in a 9-5 world.

Have a fun, safe holiday Cathy.

great thread Paul!!

Why do you do the work that you do?

because I love it, it is rewarding, and it allows me a lot of flexibility. If you don’t already know, I own my own multisport coaching business that I operate full time. I left full time teaching to do this full time three years ago and haven’t looked back with an ounce of regret.

Would you quit if someone gave you a million bucks, would it take more… or maybe less?

for a million $ I would not exactly quit what I do. I would cut back on the number of clients and do it for free. I only charge a fee so I can pay the bills, if I didn’t have to do that I would do it for free without a second thought.

Who would bag it to train and do endurance sports full time like the pros?

I wouldn’t have to bag it to train full time like a pro. I have the time to train full time right now if I wanted it. And there are enough pro’s around here that I train with anyways so I see the life and am part of it when I want to be part of it. There are times when work does take precedence over training, I’d love to just ride my bike 70 to 100 miles a day and still run 70 miles a week, but aside from the time, my body wouldn’t handle that anymore, at least I don’t think it would. I’m working on finding that out this Spring.

“That’s the hard part–finding her.”

Hey Cathy, you’re single. Hey Tom, you’re single. You’re both into tri. Hint…hint…hint.

Nice of you, but the last thing we need on this forum is matchmaking.

True. And, even though I’m not a true 9-5er, I have a feeling I’d kill Tom or he me. :wink:

Besides, I’d never move to Michigan, even to ride with Frankie A. every day.